Tupolev 'Article 80' PAK DA bomber (Poslannik / Envoy)



Something doesn't add up. Smaller than the B-2, 30t payload, 15000km and 52,000lb thrust engines? Burns more fuel than a B-2 but carries the same payload further with less fuel? Really?
You're right I made a mistake, engine thrust is 230kN combined not each.

Sorry for the mistake.
 
Doubt it will look like this, but nice art nonetheless.

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This is a joke? Isn’t it???

„…The deliveries of the long-range strategic bomber PAK DA to Russia’s Aerospace Force are expected to begin in 2025-2030 after trials.“
 
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More PAK-DA fan art Deino. We all know that the PAK-DA is going to be a subsonic stealthy flying wing design.
 
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More PAK-DA fan art Deino. We all know that the PAK-DA is going to be a subsonic stealthy flying wing design.

So in summary this report is nothing but a piece of crap!?
 
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Speaking of Paralay's forum, seems like the overall current consensus is between this being related to PAK DA or Tu-22M modernization. Some questions have been raised regarding the four crew layout and how that may be fit into a flying wing design.

I personally think that a four crew layout isn't inherently off limits for a flying wing VLO bomber, the guys in the back would just be tucked away with very smol top facing windows I'd assume similar to the WSO on a MiG-31 or SR-71 where the back seat doesn't protude from the fuselage or gets an extension of a large glass canopy like on an F-15 or Su-30.

Could also be related to Tu-22 modernization, who knows. But I'm unsure how much Russia wants to invest into the aging Tu-22s which are burning through their flight hours and can't be replaced IIRC (I could be wrong here, anyone who knows better feel free to correct me). Unlike the Tu-160s where modernization makes sense and new units are actually produced nowadays.

If it is actually related to PAK DA it's certainly very neat. And I personally don't see much issue with retaining four people over reducing the crew to two. I can imagine this gives some opportunities with regards to managing information collected by other airborne or even ground based assets, drone control etc.
 
Speaking of Paralay's forum, seems like the overall current consensus is between this being related to PAK DA or Tu-22M modernization.
This is related to PAK DA. The aforementioned "КПМ-800" hardware-in-the-loop simulator("iron-bird)" is a system designed to simulate the information and control interface of the izd.80 cockpit.
 
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Something interesting, on many speculative layouts like this one, there are generally smaller windows in the back, indicating four people.

So I guess it wasn't really a surprise for people who followed this development for a long time.

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Have the Russians ever addressed this protein the last couple years? It seems like so that died on the vine.
 
Have the Russians ever addressed this protein the last couple years? It seems like so that died on the vine.
Something not being constantly talked about doesn't really mean that nothing is happening in the background. Oreshnik came more or less out of nowhere, which made sense given that work on it must have started after the suspension of the INF treaty. As for the LTS, we only found out about it when the mock up was presented, although years of study preceded it, exploring various different planforms and overarching layouts.

But I can imagine that PAK DA has been put on the back burner for a time to get the Tu-160M modernization and new production rolling.
 


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