TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

Turkish Aerospace Industries introduces concept OKU (Autonomous Wingman Concept)

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Turkish Aerospace Industries is developing the Autonomous Wingman Concept (OKU), essentially a Turkish version of MUM-T (manned-unmanned teaming). This concept integrates piloted and unmanned aircraft to enhance air superiority, adapt to changing threats and increase operational efficiency. It involves forming flight formations and task forces for collaborative missions, using technologies like AI, autonomy and communication. The goal is to enhance pilot effectiveness, reduce risk and standardize this concept across multiple aerial platforms.



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GTX said:
breakingdefense.com

After Azerbaijan, will Pakistan also join Turkey’s 5th generation fighter program? - Breaking Defense

Collaborating with other countries will accelerate the development process and with reduce the risks on Turkey, experts told Breaking Defense.
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Cem Doğut didn't really surprise me at all, a figure who doubted many aspects of the aircraft before (one funny example is he didn't believe that aircraft had C-C skin (he was thinking that TUSAŞ didn't have the tech/expertise to manufacture a prototype with a composite skin)
 
it will be interesting as it may potentially go head to head against China's FC-31/J-35 (not sure what the official name is now).
 
Forest Green said:
www.defensenews.com

Turkey seeks partners for TF-X fighter program amid fiscal uncertainty

The Turkish economy is experiencing high inflation, and the country’s external debt reached nearly $476 billion in March.
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"amid fiscal uncertainty" not really. It was always in the plans to introduce a partner to rack up some exports and divide the costs, not something new.

You know these programmes cost a lot :D

"“In all probability, the aircraft will fly for political purposes before critical local elections [in March] but without most systems fitted into it,” a program insider told Defense News on the condition of anonymity, fearing prosecution for discussing the subject"

Like uhhh, does anyone really care about elections in Turkey anymore? "Fearing prosecution for discussing the subject" I have never seen this happening to anyone.
It was made clear by TUSAŞ CEO that the P0 lacks some of its systems, why does this guy try to make this sound like a taboo or a secret?

Another point that the news get wrong is the "partnership". It is not a partnership like how Tempest/GCAP is, for Kaan Azerbaijan or Pakistan dont set the requirements, TurAF does, what Azerbaijan and Pakistan gets is some local share which boosts their industry and reduces some of the costs for them, for Turkey this means reduced costs, more manpower and ready-on export sales.

Looking at Burak Bekdil's pre-2017 news and columns, he doesnt really have a good record, many manipulative news about ATAK, Hurkuş etc.

@snne your views?
 
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Radonislav said:
"amid fiscal uncertainty" not really. It was always in the plans to introduce a partner to rack up some exports and divide the costs, not something new.

You know these programmes cost a lot :D

"“In all probability, the aircraft will fly for political purposes before critical local elections [in March] but without most systems fitted into it,” a program insider told Defense News on the condition of anonymity, fearing prosecution for discussing the subject"

Like uhhh, does anyone really care about elections in Turkey anymore? "Fearing prosecution for discussing the subject" I have never seen this happening to anyone.
It was made clear by TUSAŞ CEO that the P0 lacks some of its systems, why does this guy try to make this sound like a taboo or a secret?

Another point that the news get wrong is the "partnership". It is not a partnership like how Tempest/GCAP is, for Kaan Azerbaijan or Pakistan dont set the requirements, TurAF does, what Azerbaijan and Pakistan gets is some local share which boosts their industry and reduces some of the costs for them, for Turkey this means reduced costs, more manpower and ready-on export sales.

Looking at Burak Bekdil's pre-2017 news and columns, he doesnt really have a good record, many manipulative news about ATAK, Hurkuş etc.

@snne your views?
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Objectively speaking this is the most "well-funded" project/procurement in Turkey's history. Also, it was said by the industry leaders themselves that the aircraft is going to fly in December at the earliest and that they would not take any risks with a programme of this significance.

The aircraft hasn't entered service yet thus whether the programme is going to fail is still in the realm of possibility but claiming that they're going to risk everything due to "the elections" is laughable imo. I understand that with the current government and the opposition Turkey doesn't have a well functioning democracy but claiming it'll affect the projects is simply ludicrous.

I did not take a look at his previous articles but looking at his writings, I could bet that he doesn't have a particularly good track record.
 
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TAI CEO Temel Kotil:

“We’ve got 3 months left to the aircraft’s maiden flight. Its mechanical tests are nearing completion and the lab tests are continuing. Hopefully in the beginning of December we will initiate high speed taxi tests. Around the 3rd Week of December we are planning on coducting rejected takeoff tests and in the final week hopefully we will get to perform the maiden flight.”


(I’ve slightly altered what he actually said in order to make it more understandable)

video.haber7.com

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil'den 'KAAN' açıklaması

Haber7.com muhabiri Yavuz Selvi'ye konuşan TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil, KAAN hakkında önemli açıklamalarda bulundu. Kotil, yerli ve milli
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nice, haven't seen some new pics in a while.
in a strange way, Kaan makes me think of a 5th gen MiG-31.
could you tell me anything about the radar if any?
 
helmutkohl said:
nice, haven't seen some new pics in a while.
in a strange way, Kaan makes me think of a 5th gen MiG-31.
could you tell me anything about the radar if any?
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The photo isn't new :/ But I do feel like it has gone under the radar a bit. It does indeed showcase the rather peculiar design of the airframe. TAI currently doesn't allow filming inside the facilities, so we might not be able to get any new photos for a while. Regarding BÜRFİS, there is not much out there. We know as a fact that there will be a lot of T/R modules, the amount of which is unsurprisingly classified. It will feature GaN but unlike MURAD (which only comprises of a nose-mounted radar) the BÜRFİS project consists of a variety of systems and sub-projects such as the IRFS, EW systems, a counter measure dispensing system etc. ASELSAN is also responsible for plenty of systems and sensors on the TF-X project not just BÜRFİS (their work includes the development of low RCS antennas, Kılavuz-40 IMU, Tulgar HMD, Bühset project and the integrated EO system also named BEOS).
 
helmutkohl said:
nice, haven't seen some new pics in a while.
in a strange way, Kaan makes me think of a 5th gen MiG-31.
could you tell me anything about the radar if any?
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Why would it remind you of MiG-31? It is an air superiority fighter, not dedicated interceptor.
 
TAI CEO Prof. Dr. Temel Kotil:

"I hope KAAN will fly at the end of this year. We are making a very special effort for it. I visited KAAN when I came to the company this morning, visiting the aircraft has become a habit. It is going well, hopefully we will get to keep our promise by the end of the year.

It passed static tests and load tests. Extra equipment is being placed inside. Landing gears will be installed. There were landing gears before, but this time the airworthy landing gears will be installed. All our efforts are underway to see KAAN in the skies on our 100th anniversary."

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-Via SST
 
Is there anything planned for the Republic Day regarding TF or Hürjet? Maybe a flying demonstration and public revealing perhaps?
 
Maro.Kyo said:
Is there anything planned for the Republic Day regarding TF or Hürjet? Maybe a flying demonstration and public revealing perhaps?
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Not that I know of. TF-X is undergoing modifications, and Hürjet hasn't gone through the required envelope expansions to do pretty much anything fancy at this point.
 
Canardzz said:
Not that I know of. TF-X is undergoing modifications, and Hürjet hasn't gone through the required envelope expansions to do pretty much anything fancy at this point.
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That's a bit of a shame, though understandable. Can't skip schedules just because it's a special day.
 
snne said:
I mean, it flew with the Turkish Stars and all... If a ceremony is to be held this year, a fly-by might be highly possible imo.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSGdlHGOeQE
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A fly-by would be possible for sure. But then again I feel like we would've heard of it prior to the celebratory activities. Would be highly pleased to see Hürjet, but I don't think that's on their agenda. It would've been very fitting to see that aircraft perform with the Turkish Stars display team on the 29th. There is still hope :d
 
since we already have a Hurjet thread, can we stop posting both Kaan and Hurjet posts here?
Other wise I can do the other and merge both into one thread into a general Turkish aviation projects.
 
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The U.K.'s Export Control Joint Unit on Nov. 6 replaced and updated its open general export license for goods in support of the Turkish Aerospace Industries TF-X program. The new license replaces the revoked license and allows for the export of "software or technology for the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) TF-X Programme aircraft, also known as KAAN, from the U.K. to" Turkey and, in the case of reexports, the U.K.


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UK Updates Turkey-Related General Export License​


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Impressive. I think the west is banking on the turks being a rival to Russia.
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The market is going to become saturated in a few years. There aren't many countries that can afford high end fighters and most of them that the US is willing to provide for have already received/ordered F-35s.

What's left of those who can buy will go for either Boramae Block 1 or Kaan Block 10. I'd wager that most countries are going to opt for Boramae because it is most likely a more cost effective option and S.Korea will have an easier time financing loans for the customers than Turkey. (Also twin engine heavy fighters have a very niche market, not everyone can operate them)

Even then, a large fleet of TurAF needs urgent replacement/modernisation and thus in the first couple of years most/if not all of the production capacity is going to be used for the Turkish Air Force.

The usual Russian customers have either turned elsewhere for their needs after the War in Ukraine or they'd like to avoid getting sanctioned. Therefore I don't see many exports opportunities for the Russians except maybe in Iran.
 
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snne said:
The market is going to become saturated in a few years. There aren't many countries that can afford high end fighters and most of them that the US is willing to provide for have already received/ordered F-35s.

What's left of those who can buy will go for either Boramae Block 1 or Kaan Block 10. I'd wager that most countries are going to opt for Boramae because it is most likely a more cost effective option and S.Korea will have an easier time financing loans for the customers than Turkey. (Also twin engine heavy fighters have a very niche market, not everyone can operate them)

Even then, a large fleet of TurAF needs urgent replacement/modernisation and thus in the first couple of years most/if not all of the production capacity is going to be used for the Turkish Air Force.

The usual Russian customers have either turned elsewhere for their needs after the War in Ukraine or they'd like to avoid getting sanctioned. Therefore I don't see many exports opportunities for the Russians except maybe in Iran.
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Yes I agree, Turkey or Korea likely can't match the market that's dominated by a US equivalent.
But, they can reach the markets where the US is reluctant to provide something similar.
If Turkey can find a way to provide domestically produced weapon systems, and maybe radar and engines..
it could appeal to say countries where the French market succeeds in.

Countries like Argentina, India, Indonesia or Thailand, where they want to buy US, but the US is reluctant to offer them the best product.
So here the Kaan or Boramae can succeed.
(note, those countries are just examples of political situations where non-US but western style products are appealing.. Argentina likely doesn't have the cash, and India will probably never buy Turkish)
 
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The U.K.'s Export Control Joint Unit on Nov. 6 replaced and updated its open general export license for goods in support of the Turkish Aerospace Industries TF-X program. The new license replaces the revoked license and allows for the export of "software or technology for the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) TF-X Programme aircraft, also known as KAAN, from the U.K. to" Turkey and, in the case of reexports, the U.K.


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UK Updates Turkey-Related General Export License​


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d. Propulsion aero-engines and specially designed components therefor;

e. Airborne refuelling equipment specially designed or modified for any of the following, and specially designed components therefor:

1. "Aircraft" specified in ML10.a.; or

2. Unmanned "aircraft" specified in ML10.c.;

f. 'Ground equipment' specially designed for "aircraft" specified by ML10.a. or aero-engines specified in ML10.d.;

g. Aircrew life support equipment, aircrew safety equipment and other devices for emergency escape, not specified in ML10.a., designed for "aircraft" specified in ML10.a.;
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2. Paragliders;

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h. Goods and material, coated, treated or prepared to provide signature suppression, specially designed for military use, other than those controlled elsewhere in this Schedule;

l. ISO intermodal containers or demountable vehicle bodies (i.e., swap bodies), specially designed or modified for military use;

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3. "Development", "production", operation or maintenance of "software" specified in this Schedule;
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1. "Software" that is both specially designed for military use and specially designed for modelling, simulating or evaluating military weapons systems;

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3. "Software" for determining the effects of conventional, nuclear, chemical or biological weapons;

4. "Software" that is both specially designed for military use and specially designed for Command, Communications, Control and Intelligence (C3I) applications or Command, Communications, Control, Computer and Intelligence (C4I) applications;

5. "Software" for military offensive cyber operations

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Load tests, which have been ongoing for a while for Turkey's most important technology development project KAAN, have been completed. The mission systems and subsystems that will take place on KAAN, which was disassembled down to the smallest piece, began to take their place on the aircraft after independent tests for the maiden flight. This assembly activity will end with the engines taking their place in the prototype. KAAN, which will take to the runway after the assembly activity, will prepare for its first flight by completing its slow and high speed taxi tests. It is aimed that these activities will intensify in mid-December and KAAN will make its first flight on December 27.

The paint has reportedly been stripped off. The maiden flight will occur with primer colors.





Via https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/savunma-sa...hazir-kaan-ilk-ucus-icin-son-montajda/3065767
 
  • KAAN AESA radar will have 2000+ GaN TRM
  • 2nd KAAN prototype will have radar
  • Production of two more test aircraft has started, one of which is scheduled to be ready in mid-2024.
  • First KAAN prototype won't have stealth coating
  • Flight computer and a fully functional landing gear has now been integrated into the first KAAN's airframe.


I haven't read the whole article yet but it seems Flug Revue visited TAI and interviewed the CEO.


https://www.flugrevue.de/militaer/taxi-tests-voraus-tuerkei-stealth-kampfjet-kaan-kurz-vor-dem-erstflug/
 

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