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Assuming it is a tank shell we are talking about here, it could be an enhanced radiation and/or directed effects shell. Which would be rather problematic for NATO at best.
Grey Havoc said:Assuming it is a tank shell we are talking about here, it could be an enhanced radiation and/or directed effects shell. Which would be rather problematic for NATO at best.
Grey Havoc said:Via the Tank-net topic on the 2017 Moscow Parade, a picture taken during the dress rehearsals showing a couple of T-14s without their side skirts:
bobbymike said:https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/russia-armata-tank-will-outmatch-the-abrams-in-active-armor-and-triple-range-missiles.html
PaulMM (Overscan) said:bobbymike said:https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/russia-armata-tank-will-outmatch-the-abrams-in-active-armor-and-triple-range-missiles.html
Poor article.
I just got back from Moscow where I met with the head of the T-14 program. I then had tea with Vladimir Putin.kaiserd said:PaulMM (Overscan) said:bobbymike said:https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/russia-armata-tank-will-outmatch-the-abrams-in-active-armor-and-triple-range-missiles.html
Poor article.
Agreed, the website appears to be a (Brian Wangs) personal website.
Bobbymike, what due diligence did you do before posting the link?
bobbymike said:I just got back from Moscow where I met with the head of the T-14 program. I then had tea with Vladimir Putin.kaiserd said:PaulMM (Overscan) said:bobbymike said:https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/06/russia-armata-tank-will-outmatch-the-abrams-in-active-armor-and-triple-range-missiles.html
Poor article.
Agreed, the website appears to be a (Brian Wangs) personal website.
Bobbymike, what due diligence did you do before posting the link?
lastdingo said:The article has some hyperbole, as is typical of that blog (and many others).
It's not all worthless, though. The problem is mostly that the author has no clue about what's important in tank designs or tank warfare.
Whether a tank is good at cold start at -20°C, can have its powerpack changed in less than 45 minutes or go farther than 200 km with battlefield manoeuvres on soft soil is much more relevant than whether its munitions reach past 3 km range.
lastdingo said:Whether a tank is good at cold start at -20°C, can have its powerpack changed in less than 45 minutes or go farther than 200 km with battlefield manoeuvres on soft soil is much more relevant than whether its munitions reach past 3 km range.
amen brotherVoid said:lastdingo said:Whether a tank is good at cold start at -20°C, can have its powerpack changed in less than 45 minutes or go farther than 200 km with battlefield manoeuvres on soft soil is much more relevant than whether its munitions reach past 3 km range.
If that were true tanks would have nothing but machine guns. ALL of a tanks capabilities are important, there is no one to rule them all. A tank with no engine is a glorified pillbox. A tank with no gun is a glorified bulldozer.
The article is indeed bad but it hits on an important point: Long range guided weapons, especially if they can be remotely targeted, can in certain engagement scenarios inflict highly disproportionate casualties in tank engagements. The tank that fires usually wins. The US military has every reason to be concerned about this because it was their own work which demonstrated it. Hence the decades-long investigation of the concept through RAKE, X-ROD, STAFF, TERM and MRM. Since US Army tankers have poor camouflage skills, US armored vehicles lack any meaningful top attack protection, the US Army lacks EW systems capable of interfering with their opponents communications, and the military has been unable to bring an APS system into service, the US military is in many ways particularly vulnerable to a weapon like this.
US adversaries are realizing that America has an asymmetric vulnerability to new weapons technologies because the glacial pace of US procurement bureaucracy makes it impossible for the US to bring genuinely new equipment into service on a reasonable timescale.
bobbymike said:https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/serial-production-of-russias-deadliest-tank-to-begin-in-2020/
Void said:lastdingo said:Whether a tank is good at cold start at -20°C, can have its powerpack changed in less than 45 minutes or go farther than 200 km with battlefield manoeuvres on soft soil is much more relevant than whether its munitions reach past 3 km range.
If that were true tanks would have nothing but machine guns. ALL of a tanks capabilities are important, there is no one to rule them all. A tank with no engine is a glorified pillbox. A tank with no gun is a glorified bulldozer.
The article is indeed bad but it hits on an important point: Long range guided weapons, especially if they can be remotely targeted, can in certain engagement scenarios inflict highly disproportionate casualties in tank engagements. The tank that fires usually wins. The US military has every reason to be concerned about this because it was their own work which demonstrated it. Hence the decades-long investigation of the concept through RAKE, X-ROD, STAFF, TERM and MRM. Since US Army tankers have poor camouflage skills, US armored vehicles lack any meaningful top attack protection, the US Army lacks EW systems capable of interfering with their opponents communications, and the military has been unable to bring an APS system into service, the US military is in many ways particularly vulnerable to a weapon like this.
US adversaries are realizing that America has an asymmetric vulnerability to new weapons technologies because the glacial pace of US procurement bureaucracy makes it impossible for the US to bring genuinely new equipment into service on a reasonable timescale.
Russia has unveiled a variant of the T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicle (HIFV) fitted with a 57 mm auto-cannon set in a remote turret at the Army 2018 exhibition being held in Kubinka, near Moscow, on 21-26 August.
The cannon is most likely based on that used by the previous AU-220M combat module. The cannon itself is based on an advanced version of the AZP-57 used by the S-60 towed anti-aircraft (AA) gun system.
The turret is equipped with an independent panoramic commander sight and an independently traversable gunner sight. The main armament is complemented by a coaxial machine gun and a bank of two 9M120-1 Ataka laser-beam-riding and/or radio-frequency-link guided missiles located on the right-hand side of the turret.
[/quote]bobbymike said:https://www.janes.com/article/82552/russia-unveils-t-15-hifv-armed-with-57-mm-cannon?from_rss=1
[quoteRussia has unveiled a variant of the T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicle (HIFV) fitted with a 57 mm auto-cannon set in a remote turret at the Army 2018 exhibition being held in Kubinka, near Moscow, on 21-26 August.
The cannon is most likely based on that used by the previous AU-220M combat module. The cannon itself is based on an advanced version of the AZP-57 used by the S-60 towed anti-aircraft (AA) gun system.
The turret is equipped with an independent panoramic commander sight and an independently traversable gunner sight. The main armament is complemented by a coaxial machine gun and a bank of two 9M120-1 Ataka laser-beam-riding and/or radio-frequency-link guided missiles located on the right-hand side of the turret.]
Since 40mm is appears on the path so dont think 60 is a problem.Avimimus said:That would necessitate advanced fusing though (which hasn't been demonstrated).
donnage99 said:wouldn't you just convert space for soldiers to space for ammo?
Not in case of T-15 (or Kurganets for that matter). It have unmanned non-intrusion turret, thus pushing it inside hull will take a significant amount of modifying vehicle. OTOH was done on Bumerang...donnage99 said:wouldn't you just convert space for soldiers to space for ammo?
What 100km spot range? What 8km laser attack range?! What counting ERA efficiency in mm and getting over meter?!?!
Do you really need to drag all those extremely old yellowpapers here?
Do you really need to drag all those extremely old yellowpapers here?
What laser attack range?
What 100km spot range for radar?!
There was an earlier version of this that was successfully developed that may have been called "The Weapon of Sixty Miracles." For all Soviet and Warsaw Pact tank attacks.
The X-band N036B-1-01 side array on Su-57 and the defensive Afganit array on T-14 are not the same kind, N036B is an X-band (8-12Ghz) radar. Afganit is a (26.5-40 GHz) radar for hard kill measure and N036B is about 5 times the size of Afganit.What laser attack range?
range estimates of what the T-14 can be. Estimates say for the laser range finder is over 5km but I am assuming it will be higher because the T-72B3 http://tank72.tass.ru/5/ says this for the 9,600 meters "Maximum range of target recognition by gunner’s sight TPV Sosna-U"
What 100km spot range for radar?!
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“On "Armata", as well as on the T-50 fighter, the latest radar station with an active phased antenna array (AFAR) will be installed. There are no such solutions on any tank in the world. The system is capable of simultaneously leading up to 40 dynamic and up to 25 aerodynamic targets, controlling territory within a radius of 100 kilometers and automatically destroying targets up to 0.3 meters in size. Thanks to the presence of AFAR, Armata is positioned as a universal ground attack machine, which includes a full-fledged tactical missile system, an anti-aircraft air defense system, an army reconnaissance and target designation complex, and the tank itself.”
“New armor is not the only means of protecting the crew of “Almaty”. According to some reports, this tank will be the first to install new means of active protection against rocket-propelled grenades and sub-caliber shells. This is the latest development of the Kolomna Engineering Bureau - “Afganit”. From open sources it is known about it that the radar system works in the millimeter range, for the first time uses protective ammunition with a warhead like a strike core, and not fragmentation as before. The nearest line for intercepting missiles, shells or rocket-propelled grenades is 15-20 meters, and the maximum speed for intercepting armor-piercing sub-caliber shells is 1700 m / s. In the future, it is planned to install an even more advanced Barrier protection system on Armata. It will already be able to intercept targets flying at speeds from 2500 to 3000 m / s.”