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Today is exactly ten years since maiden flight of T-50.
How time flies. Ten years, it does not seem that long.
Today is exactly ten years since maiden flight of T-50.
Today is exactly ten years since maiden flight of T-50.
How time flies. Ten years, it does not seem that long.
if they choose scramjet, range of the mini-kinzhal can be extended
Now read the original news in Russian and note that dumb journo took K-74M2 SRAAM as 'Kh-74M2" and it as 'cruise missile' and you will understand the reaction.I am starting to feel a little intimidated posting any news articles about their missiles on this forum without seeing a seething comment passing through, worst yet those with moderation privileges you expect neutrality but don't find any. Screenshoting this for future references, but not damaging site reputation
Now read the original news in Russian and note that dumb journo took K-74M2 SRAAM as 'Kh-74M2" and it as 'cruise missile' and you will understand the reaction.
Hint: Obnosov talks of two TOTALLY different projects in interview.
More. How old you should be talking about 'making downsized version of Kinzhal and adding scramjet to it'? Sounds as practical as mixing apples with oranges.
Same dozen pre-poduction (ten to be exact). First serial crashed during flight testing 3 days before it was supposed to be handed to VKS. So for now waiting for further airframes (there were supposed to be very few of them in first two years since 2019 contract, 1-2 per year, with ramping up production after).I've been quite out of the loop on the Su-57 for a while - how many working copies are there? Last I checked there about a dozen pre-production-ish aircraft, though I think official the type is considered a production aircraft now?
Same dozen pre-poduction (ten to be exact). First serial crashed during flight testing 3 days before it was supposed to be handed to VKS. So for now waiting for further airframes (there were supposed to be very few of them in first two years since 2019 contract, 1-2 per year, with ramping up production after).I've been quite out of the loop on the Su-57 for a while - how many working copies are there? Last I checked there about a dozen pre-production-ish aircraft, though I think official the type is considered a production aircraft now?
Wonder if there will be anymore orders placed for the Su-57 after the initial production order is completed, just because it will be a waste of a good fighter not to place more.
. Interestingly, I recall Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov stating that the Su-35 is not inferior to the "first stage" Su-57.
I don't want to sound overly pessimistic but the pace of the program seems quite sluggish, and I'm not sure if the Su-57 will even exceed the F-22 in numbers before the latter's successor NGAD starts flying.
There definitely will be more orders (why not?). And 1-2 per year is only initial couple of years, otherwise reaching 76 airframes in 2027 as currently planned isn't possible.Wonder if there will be anymore orders placed for the Su-57 after the initial production order is completed, just because it will be a waste of a good fighter not to place more.
Indeed ... but honestly, does a production rate of 1-2 per year makes sense? At least operationally?
Officially, the Su-57 is "ready" for mass production, but has an actual production line been set up?
Furthermore, Piotr Butowski has a rather interesting take on the Su-57's mission systems in his Air International October 2019 article. He pointed to a Kommersant newspaper article that used the phrase "a modification of the internal layout of the Su-57 and unification of the technical solutions" and suggested that this may mean the Su-57's mission systems were downgraded to use the Su-35's for production
Wonder if there will be anymore orders placed for the Su-57 after the initial production order is completed, just because it will be a waste of a good fighter not to place more.
Indeed ... but honestly, does a production rate of 1-2 per year makes sense? At least operationally?
yes it is. But remind that the Su-27 took a long time also to surface as a formidable weapon.
Regarding the displayed missile launch, do I am the only one to think that what we see (missile with fins) doesn't seems to be able to fit inside the alleged side missiles bay?
yes it is. But remind that the Su-27 took a long time also to surface as a formidable weapon.
Regarding the displayed missile launch, do I am the only one to think that what we see (missile with fins) doesn't seems to be able to fit inside the alleged side missiles bay?
Do we have any good stats/plans for the side bays? Even if they are too small, could the fins be flip-out or fold-out?
Contact is already finalised and production started (tho with embarrassing loss of first serial airframe). No "design finalising" (aside from standart mid-producing tweaks and already planned reengining with Izd.30) or production shelving is really possible at this point until something REALLY drastic happens. Oil price drop is by far not drastic enough.Its a little suspicious that the angle of the images seems to obscure the missile's deployment. The low production rate implies that the design isn't finalized and will have to go through more steps before mass production. One the one hand, a set back for the system, on the other hand probably a much more cost saving strategy as opposed to the US building F-35s that will never be fully mission capable and at best will be relegated to training aircraft.
That said, with the plummeting price of oil I have to wonder if this program's development won't continue to be drawn out and mass production shelved until more finances are available. Russia has a huge number of strategic programs that likely are higher priorities.
There is a patent with according front and side sketched view but I haven't it saved here. Maybe someone have it saved somewhere more accessible that I can do?yes it is. But remind that the Su-27 took a long time also to surface as a formidable weapon.
Regarding the displayed missile launch, do I am the only one to think that what we see (missile with fins) doesn't seems to be able to fit inside the alleged side missiles bay?
Do we have any good stats/plans for the side bays? Even if they are too small, could the fins be flip-out or fold-out?
For the third time: contract is for 76 airframes with finish date being 2027. Where is "1-2 airframes"?I personally don't consider 1-2 airframes mass production
For the third time: contract is for 76 airframes with finish date being 2027. Where is "1-2 airframes"?
But given the past experience and reaching certain milestones - esp. self-procliamed ones - I won't hold my breath ... I would not even be surprised if the RuAF will receive at best only a handfull.
Regarding the displayed missile launch, do I am the only one to think that what we see (missile with fins) doesn't seems to be able to fit inside the alleged side missiles bay?