Sukhoi Su-24BM2 / T-60 / izdeliye 54 tactical bombers

PaulMM (Overscan) said:
You can discount the Yefim Gordon book as 'confirmation' of anything as he simply downloaded Paralay's drawings and stole them for his book. Paralay's drawings are speculative and labelled as such.

Note that you are simply recycling content already posted here with these posts.
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Oh thanks for sharp pointed out　my dear owner. :eek:
 
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
T-4M-MS design evolution, for reference.

Source:

Ildar Beretdinov, T-4
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So the last versions lacked a horizontal stabiliser? This seems to go against what is commonly reported (in the English press at least).
 
Avimimus said:
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
T-4M-MS design evolution, for reference.

Source:

Ildar Beretdinov, T-4
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So the last versions lacked a horizontal stabiliser? This seems to go against what is commonly reported (in the English press at least).
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Given the close cooperation with Sukhoi on the T-4 book, it must be regarded as authoritative.
 
paralay said:
Anyone from the AL-31F family
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In that case, I'd pick the AL-31FM2 or AL-41F-1S. IIRC, doesn't the AL-31FM2 have the same baseline thrust as all the other members of the AL-31 family? And given the body design of the baseline Su-24BM, would it be able to support the thrust vectoring nozzles of the AL-41F-1S?
 
blackkite said:
Hi! Object 54 and later 54S supersonic bomber/missile strike aircraft.

Sourse : same as previous post and the book "UNFLOWN WINGS Soviet/Russia unrealised aircraftprojects 1925-2010, YEFIM GORDON and SERGEY KOMISSAROV".
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A query about the last three images. In the book Unflown Wings by Yefim Gordon, that project is designated as Izdeliye 54, while the second image would be the Izdeliye 54S.
Wasn't the sequence T-60, T-60S, and then Izdeliye 54?

The one that appears as Izdeliye 54 in Yefim Gordon's book (see below) what project would it really be?
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So how big was the izdeliye 54 supposed to be? Su-34 sized, f-111 sized or b-2 sized?
 
Quick question: What is that turboprop gunship on the right (looks like an Aeroprogress design - but I'm not familiar with it).
 
Tapok_smerti said:
Мore:)
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paralay said:
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The Su-24BM2 with its air intakes on top of the fuselage, could it be that it was also called Su-24MM?

"There was also a less radical modernization project called the Su-24MM (Malaya Modifikatsiya or Small Modification), which largely used the original Su-24M fuselage, married to the new 73.53 kN (7,500 kg) Lyulka AL-31F engines. dry thrust and 112.6 kN (11,482 Kg) with afterburning.

Due to the higher air consumption of the AL-31F, the Su-24MM was provided with an additional air inlet above the fuselage. Regarding the Su-24M, then in production, the Su-24MM increased its maximum takeoff weight by 2,000 kg due to the installation of the AL-31F engines and was going to be equipped with the latest and most sophisticated navigation system and Soviet attack."

www.zona-militar.com

Los proyectos de bombarderos tácticos soviéticos Sukhoi Su-24BM/MM, T-60/T-60S e Izdeliye 54

A fines de la década de 1970, se hizo evidente para la Fuerza Aérea Soviética (VVS o Voyenno-Vozdushnyye Sily) que para fines del milenio necesitarían una
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Why should it? BM means Bolshaya Modenizatciya = Big Modenisation, MM means Malaya Modenizatciya - Small Modernisation. Does what you see in form of -24BM2 model fits your world of 'small upgrades"?

Your source is mix of facts, incorrectly understood facts and fiction btw.
 
flateric said:
Why should it? BM means Bolshaya Modenizatciya = Big Modenisation, MM means Malaya Modenizatciya - Small Modernisation. Does what you see in form of -24BM2 model fits your world of 'small upgrades"?

Your source is mix of facts, incorrectly understood facts and fiction btw.
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Thank you very much for your kind response to my query...
 
Looking at what has been posted from that wonderful book here and in other Sukhoi topics, many thanks to our russian friends for sharing. It's early christmas as far as unseen to date Sukhoi projects/models/info being unveiled! I see on Paralay's there's a picture of the full T-60 bort 04 model, maybe you guys can post it here too for posterity? (i don't want to as of course i don't want to spoil/appear to steal credit from the hard work of others who scanned and shared from the book):)
 

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...aerodynamics, during the year 8 more models were manufactured and blown through to work out the layout of the aircraft and its power plant. In addition to purely layout measures, studies were conducted to reduce the aircraft's radar signature (flat nozzles, engine inlet grilles, antenna protection, radar-absorbing materials, etc.). The design of the draft design was completed by the beginning of December, on December 10 E.A. Ivanov signed a letter on sending his materials to all specialized institutes of the MAP (Ministry of Aviation Industry). At the end of December, upon receiving the conclusions, the materials of the draft design were officially presented to the MAP and the Air Force. In January 1983, the construction of the model was completed.
Well, then followed the events already described above: in January 1983, E.A. Ivanov was replaced as General Designer by M.P. Simonov. As a result, it was now up to him to independently solve all the problems that, thanks to his efforts, were assigned to the KB (design bureau) in connection with the development of the Su-24BM2. The mock-up commission and the defense of the draft design for this machine took place at the OKB (experimental design bureau, the same as the KB) in May 1983. What did the aircraft look like at this stage? The Su-24BM2 was made using an integrated scheme with a developed load-bearing center section with a sweep along the leading edge of ~ 70 ° and a variable-sweep wing (X = 15-75 °). The rotating consoles were equipped with powerful mechanization - a 5-section slat and a 3-section 2-slot flap. Controls in the longitudinal channel - an all-moving stabilizer and spoilers on the upper surface of the wing (at x < 55 °) - In the track channel - all-moving vertical stabilizers. The fuselage has a forward radio-transparent cone and a two-seater cockpit, at the level of which it fits into the contours of the center section. The cockpit has a seating arrangement for two crew members side by side, like the Su-24, the canopy of the cockpit transitioned into a short fairing. Along the lower surface of the center section, the fuselage transitioned into a body of a semicircular section, and in the tail section it was made in the form of a central compartment of a circular section, cantilevering beyond the center section. The engines are D-30F-8, with an afterburning thrust of 17 tons, located in two isolated spaced nacelles located on top of the center section. The air intakes are of a tunnel type, were semi-recessed into the center section to reduce visibility. The chassis is tricycle, with a two-wheeled front strut and four-wheeled main landing gear bogies. In the middle part of the fuselage there was a central compartment designed for suspension of the main weapons with the possibility of installing multi-position drum-type catapult mounts in it. In addition, three more internal compartments for air-to-air missiles were provided: two front ones - for medium-range missiles for operation in the PPS (in the front hemisphere) and one in the KHChF (tail part of the fuselage) - for short-range missiles in the ZPS (in the rear hemisphere). External points for suspension of weapons were also provided. The protection of the draft design and the mock-up commission were successful, the protocol of the commission was approved by the Air Force Commander-in-Chief on July 11, 1983. By this time, the OKB was already issuing working documentation, and by the end of the year, the drawings for the airframe units and aircraft systems were transferred to the plant in Novosibirsk, where the fuselage was supposed to be built, and to the design bureau's pilot production facility, where the detachable wing section, vertical tail, and horizontal tail were to be manufactured. However, as subsequent events showed, this was only another small step in the long path that the OKB still had to go through in developing this new aircraft. In 1984-85, another adjustment to the project was made, and, in accordance with the new edition of the TTT (tactical and technical requirements) of the Air Force, the aircraft changed its purpose, becoming a medium bomber, correspondingly increased in size, and received a new official designation - T-60 ("edition 54"). Work on this project continued at the OKB for another ten years, the first few years under the leadership of N.S. Chernyakov, and since 1989 he was replaced as the head of the project by A.F. Barkovsky. During this time, three successive iterations of the project took place, with a full-scale release of a set of working documentation in the design bureau, and the very first of them was accompanied in 1985-86 even by an attempt to build the first prototype of the "54-1" aircraft at the serial plant in Novosibirsk. Unfortunately, for a number of reasons, work on this topic was greatly delayed and was completed only by mid-1994. Further work was frozen due to lack of funding...
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paralay said:
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Here another screenshot showing those models in a showcase.
Source (Youtube, Russian, Timestamp 48:40):
«Властелины неба». Документальный фильм к 85-летию ОКБ Сухого и ОКБ «МиГ»

Dear members and mods,
in case the YT-video might be some time deleted, I will not insert the YT-video, but just the link with the timestamp.
I know, this showcase shows the model Sukhoi S-82 military transporter project and the shturmovík project clearer than the "Su-34" model.
But since @paralay posted pictures of that showcase in this topic before, I will post the screenshot here.
Dear mods, please feel free, either to delete this post or move it to a more suitable topic. :)
 

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