Sukhoi Su-24BM / T-60 / T-60S / izdeliye 54 tactical bombers

You can discount the Yefim Gordon book as 'confirmation' of anything as he simply downloaded Paralay's drawings and stole them for his book. Paralay's drawings are speculative and labelled as such.

Note that you are simply recycling content already posted here with these posts.
 
PlanesPictures said:
In background of Sukhoi T-60C and Mig 7.01 was one designer. But I forgot details of that story
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Oleg Samolovich, who clashed with Simonov and left Sukhoi for MiG, taking his T-60 shape with him and recasting it as an interceptor.
 
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
You can discount the Yefim Gordon book as 'confirmation' of anything as he simply downloaded Paralay's drawings and stole them for his book. Paralay's drawings are speculative and labelled as such.

Note that you are simply recycling content already posted here with these posts.
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Oh thanks for sharp pointed out　my dear owner. :eek:
 
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
T-4M-MS design evolution, for reference.

Source:

Ildar Beretdinov, T-4
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So the last versions lacked a horizontal stabiliser? This seems to go against what is commonly reported (in the English press at least).
 
Avimimus said:
PaulMM (Overscan) said:
T-4M-MS design evolution, for reference.

Source:

Ildar Beretdinov, T-4
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So the last versions lacked a horizontal stabiliser? This seems to go against what is commonly reported (in the English press at least).
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Given the close cooperation with Sukhoi on the T-4 book, it must be regarded as authoritative.
 
paralay said:
Anyone from the AL-31F family
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In that case, I'd pick the AL-31FM2 or AL-41F-1S. IIRC, doesn't the AL-31FM2 have the same baseline thrust as all the other members of the AL-31 family? And given the body design of the baseline Su-24BM, would it be able to support the thrust vectoring nozzles of the AL-41F-1S?
 
blackkite said:
Hi! Object 54 and later 54S supersonic bomber/missile strike aircraft.

Sourse : same as previous post and the book "UNFLOWN WINGS Soviet/Russia unrealised aircraftprojects 1925-2010, YEFIM GORDON and SERGEY KOMISSAROV".
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A query about the last three images. In the book Unflown Wings by Yefim Gordon, that project is designated as Izdeliye 54, while the second image would be the Izdeliye 54S.
Wasn't the sequence T-60, T-60S, and then Izdeliye 54?

The one that appears as Izdeliye 54 in Yefim Gordon's book (see below) what project would it really be?
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So how big was the izdeliye 54 supposed to be? Su-34 sized, f-111 sized or b-2 sized?
 
Quick question: What is that turboprop gunship on the right (looks like an Aeroprogress design - but I'm not familiar with it).
 
Tapok_smerti said:
Мore:)
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paralay said:
:cool:
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The Su-24BM2 with its air intakes on top of the fuselage, could it be that it was also called Su-24MM?

"There was also a less radical modernization project called the Su-24MM (Malaya Modifikatsiya or Small Modification), which largely used the original Su-24M fuselage, married to the new 73.53 kN (7,500 kg) Lyulka AL-31F engines. dry thrust and 112.6 kN (11,482 Kg) with afterburning.

Due to the higher air consumption of the AL-31F, the Su-24MM was provided with an additional air inlet above the fuselage. Regarding the Su-24M, then in production, the Su-24MM increased its maximum takeoff weight by 2,000 kg due to the installation of the AL-31F engines and was going to be equipped with the latest and most sophisticated navigation system and Soviet attack."

www.zona-militar.com

Los proyectos de bombarderos tácticos soviéticos Sukhoi Su-24BM/MM, T-60/T-60S e Izdeliye 54

A fines de la década de 1970, se hizo evidente para la Fuerza Aérea Soviética (VVS o Voyenno-Vozdushnyye Sily) que para fines del milenio necesitarían una
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Why should it? BM means Bolshaya Modenizatciya = Big Modenisation, MM means Malaya Modenizatciya - Small Modernisation. Does what you see in form of -24BM2 model fits your world of 'small upgrades"?

Your source is mix of facts, incorrectly understood facts and fiction btw.
 
flateric said:
Why should it? BM means Bolshaya Modenizatciya = Big Modenisation, MM means Malaya Modenizatciya - Small Modernisation. Does what you see in form of -24BM2 model fits your world of 'small upgrades"?

Your source is mix of facts, incorrectly understood facts and fiction btw.
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Thank you very much for your kind response to my query...
 

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