zen said:High Test Peroxide would'nt explode or even burn that much without contact to the catalyst. Its far safer than the sort of reactants the Germans where using in WWII.
As Orion has indicated, it more volatile than you appear to believe.
Fascenating and thankyou yellowaster.However an 0.125-inch hole of unexplained origin found in a stainless steel HTP pipe from first stage pump. Surmised that escaping HTP would have turned to steam and provided sufficient temperature rise to trigger fire detector.
overscan said:I don't have Donald Wood's book. Derek Wood's book says RB.133
alertken said:Wood, P.69: Sept.1957: "at very short notice Saro re-designed 177 around RB133 instead of PS.50 (ak:which had reheat), and with a thinner wing".
Spark said:alertken said:Wood, P.69: Sept.1957: "at very short notice Saro re-designed 177 around RB133 instead of PS.50 (ak:which had reheat), and with a thinner wing".
Hi Alertken ,
“……and with a thinner wing"; this is true, the designer of the wing said, told me that they were designing a new wing at about the time of cancellation. It was suggested from another source that an all steel wing be introduced at some time. Something was said about the engine but I can not recall now what was said. The MoS wanted an all steel aircraft but Maurice Brennan refused to go along that route.
Just a thought but has any one details of the SR177 variant that was to be piggybacked and launched at altitude from the back of a Vulcan?
starviking said:Spark said:alertken said:Wood, P.69: Sept.1957: "at very short notice Saro re-designed 177 around RB133 instead of PS.50 (ak:which had reheat), and with a thinner wing".
Hi Alertken ,
“……and with a thinner wing"; this is true, the designer of the wing said, told me that they were designing a new wing at about the time of cancellation. It was suggested from another source that an all steel wing be introduced at some time. Something was said about the engine but I can not recall now what was said. The MoS wanted an all steel aircraft but Maurice Brennan refused to go along that route.
Just a thought but has any one details of the SR177 variant that was to be piggybacked and launched at altitude from the back of a Vulcan?
There is a page on a SARO proposal paper which included air launching the SR.53 from a Valiant at the UK Space Page - is that what you're thinking of? http://www.spaceuk.org/sr53/sr53%20research.htm
EDIT: Diagram of the Valiant mounted SR.53 a third of the way down this page http://www.spaceuk.org/sr53/sr53%20pics.htm
This certainly suggests that with something like the thames this could have been a potent little aircraft. Interestingly Friedman also states that the radar was to be the AI.20?
sealordlawrence said:Rickshaw,
The RN's HTP torpedo experience was shown at the time to have been a product of trying to do things on the cheap, reusing the Mk 8 torpedo casing as the basis for the Fancy is what proved disasterous and this was well known. Interestingly the Swedes proved able to use HTP torpedos without incident based on the british developments.
zen said:This certainly suggests that with something like the thames this could have been a potent little aircraft. Interestingly Friedman also states that the radar was to be the AI.20?
Would seem so, I'll have to go back to my photocopies and check the reheat chamber diameter as thats the key issue for the Thames.
The AI.20 is a bit of a poser from Friedman, and I do wonder why he writes that. What schematics of the cockpit I've seen suggest a hand controller like in the Lightning and other indications of the use of AI.23 albeit with a 18inch dish.
Which takes me to a some strange musings on AI.20, since this is the only set the UK has with a strong beam function aimed at guidance of a beamriding missile, but in theory there is nothing precluding its use for semi-active homing guidance instead, bar the issue of keeping the beam on the target.
We know from Friedman and the Admiralty records, that they see collision course interception as the more capable method, compared to stern chase it allows a interception at greater distance from the carrier. But at the time, Red Dean is dead, and Red Hebe is sometime in the future, so they only have the Firestreak IR homer available, with all that means for stern chase interceptions only.