SAAB Fighter / Attack projects

[NoBarrelRolls]

"Swedish secret air force projects: 1926-1976" I Like it @blockhaj

 

[Airborne2001]

What should such a book be called?
SAAB's thought process?
SAAB's thought experiments?
SAAB's combat aircraft projects?
SAAB's air force projects?

I am interested. I like the last name, but maybe add a date to it (EX: 1940 - 1950).

Or maybe i should just call it Swedish secret air force projects and include weaponry as well?

Swedish secret air force projects: 1926-1976?

I like it. It sounds nice.

 

[lucamax]

I should write a book or something on this. There are so much shit that SAAB designed over the years. Anyone interested in that?

I have already the money ready to buy that

Well i need funding for the book

What i need to write such a book:

• A full season busscard. (ca 1000 euro)
• Rent money for a year: (ca 4200 euro)
• Material money (document scans) (idk 1000 euro?)
• Someone who can draw detailed and correct aircraft blueprints based on old linedrawings etc.
• Beer money to not go mad. (ca 1300 euro)
• A contact at Saab to clear up all their modern projects and numbers etc.

Ok: I'll start to buy a lot of lottery tickets! I'll call you if I'll win something

 

[blackkite]

Hi! 1300-71D. (1371D).
Wing plan form and horizontal tail stabilizer shape between wind tunnel test model and three side view drawing are different.
Three side view drawing source : AIR Enthusiast No.90, SECRET SAAB PROJECTS, Tony Buttler.

https://intscalemodeller.com/viewtopic.php?t=25589
https://tecnodefesa.com.br/saab-36-o-bombardeiro-supersonico-da-suecia/

"1300 Project
The end of World War II showed that humanity would enter, for decades to come, a polarized and tense world.
For the countries of Europe, the epicenter of this division of the world, there were moments of anguish and apprehension about the spectre of communism that was advancing mainly throughout Eastern Europe.
The scenario was even worse for non-aligned nations and, like Sweden. With relatively small territory, a lean economy that could not invest large amounts in defence and was immediately in front of the former Soviet Union, it was necessary to have deterrent elements to prevent its territory from being invaded in the event of a conflict.
Although qualitatively inferior, the military might of the countries of the former Warsaw Pact was much higher in numerical terms.
The scenario was even worse for non-aligned nations and, like Sweden. With relatively small territory, a lean economy that could not invest large amounts in defence and was immediately in front of the former Soviet Union, it was necessary to have deterrent elements to prevent its territory from being invaded in the event of a conflict.
One of the moves to ensure their safety was studies for the creation of nuclear weapons.
Although the country later did not effectively develop these weapons, it was necessary to have a vector that would transport and launch the bomb at the target.
It was then that the Project 1300, a supersonic bomber designed to reach altitudes of 60,000 feet (or 18,200m), maximum speed of Mach 2.14 (2,642km/h) and take a crew member, emerged. At 17m long and 9.6m in wingspan, the empty weight was nine tonnes and could carry an 800kg pump internally. Its engines were two Bristol Olympus engines, the same as the English Avro Vulcan bombers.
Apparently two other studies were done for the project which also became known as Saab A36. For both cases it would be single-engine, one version with the air intake under the fuselage (A36-76C) and the other with on this (A-36-77A)."

 

[blackkite]

Hi! SAAB 1323 (or 1300-23), an early step in the A36 development.
https://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/topic/995-the-swedish-nuclear-bomber-saab-a36/

 

[blackkite]

I think this wind tunnel test model wing shape and horizontal tail stabilizer shape looks like project 1338's one.
But fuselage shape is different.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!https://www.key.aero/article/database-saab-37-viggen-development

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Little larger image.
B3LM could carry Maverick missile.
https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2015/11/blast-from-pastthe-swedish-10-saab.html

 

[blockhaj]

No idea if this has been posted. Images of the Saab 24 wind tunnel model.

Vindtunnelmodell av flygplan JB-24 i låghastighetstunnel på Flygtekniska försöksanstalten. Vy från sidan.

Flygvapenmuseum - Photographer Flygtekniska försöksanstalten

digitaltmuseum.se

https://digitaltmuseum.se/021016436...astighetstunnel-pa-flygtekniska/media?slide=0

 

[steelpillow]

BTW: J-51 doesn't fit too much with Flygvapnet number series. The contemporary Draken was J-35, while the much later Viggen was "37" and Gripen is "39". Following the sequence I imagine that J-51 is expected to be used for some Flygvatnet frontline fighter in a distant future.

Saab's numbering systems did wander about a bit. The J-51 does have good credentials, being first published in a contemporary Swedish journal. It looks not unlike the first iteration of the Lildraken, before they cut back the intakes. A reasonable guess might be that it was the initial fighter design study which led to the Lildraken, and that the resulting Draken proper was then developed based on the success of the Lildraken's midlife nose job.
Intriguingly, it is basically a double-delta flying wing with twin engines which presumably had to find room later for a single but much larger engine.

 

[StormOurBeloved]

Are there any pictures out there of Projekt 1536, the VTOL Viggen Design?

 

[hesham]

Saab 37?
Air Revue April 1961

Also from Air Pictorial 1961.

 

[Arjen]

Posted 13 years ago here:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-fighter-attack-projects.683/page-3#post-81876

 

[hesham]

Posted 13 years ago here:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-fighter-attack-projects.683/page-3#post-81876

Sorry,we can delete it.

 

[F.L.]

Posted 13 years ago here:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-fighter-attack-projects.683/page-3#post-81876

Sorry,we can delete it.

It would be a shame to delete it, because the two images are not exactly similar.

 

[F.L.]

Is there more information about this variant of the Saab 18 :

• B 18R - Suggested jet variant equipped with STAL jet engines. The project came fairly far and an airframe was selected to be converted into the prototype in 1945. The plan was never followed through due to the development of the T 18B taking priority.

 

[F.L.]

 

[F.L.]

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Isn't that right ?

 

[TomS]

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Isn't that right ?

The top one has just been copied, had the background erased, and then rotated slightly.

 

[Arjen]

Beat me to it.

Which tallies with the top one stemming from a slightly more recent periodical than the bottom one.

 

[blockhaj]

So the J 29 with aden cannons was prototyped.

Here is an update on this test from the Swedish Historical Aviation Forum: https://forum.flyghistoria.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8775
See the latest post.

 

[hesham]

From this Russian magazine.

 

[hesham]

From Air Pictorial 1963.

 

[hesham]

From Air Pictorial 1963.

Also from the same source.

 

[hesham]

From this one.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

SK 29 – Planned training version. It could have featured a two-seated cockpit, with seats placed side-by-side, no armament and limited fuel capacity. Cancelled.
J 29R – All-weather fighter version equipped with an air intercept radar. Cancelled.

Saab 29 Tunnan

The Saab 29 Tunnan was a single-seat, single-engine transonic aircraft and first-generation jet fighter. It was a small aircraft with a single central air intake placed at the nose, a bubble cockpi…

plane-encyclopedia.com

 

[Pioneer]

From this one.

Can anyone identify the missile in these drawings please?

Regards
Pioneer

 

[blockhaj]

Can anyone identify the missile in these drawings please?

Regards
Pioneer

rb 321

 

[blockhaj]

Hi,

SK 29 – Planned training version. It could have featured a two-seated cockpit, with seats placed side-by-side, no armament and limited fuel capacity. Cancelled.
J 29R – All-weather fighter version equipped with an air intercept radar. Cancelled.

Saab 29 Tunnan

The Saab 29 Tunnan was a single-seat, single-engine transonic aircraft and first-generation jet fighter. It was a small aircraft with a single central air intake placed at the nose, a bubble cockpi…

plane-encyclopedia.com

29R

 

[F.L.]

SK 29 – Planned training version. It could have featured a two-seated cockpit, with seats placed side-by-side, no armament and limited fuel capacity. Cancelled.

Is there any drawings of the SK 29 ?

 

[hesham]

No drawing F.L.

From the same site,

Saab 37 Eurofighter – Proposed replacement for NATO F-104 Starfighter. None built.
Saab 37 X – Proposed version to be exported to Norway. None built.

Saab S37 Viggen

A single-seat, single-engine fighter with low double delta wing and with two canards equipped with flaps, it was intended to replace the Saab J35 Draken. Its first flight took place in 1967, and by…

plane-encyclopedia.com

 

[blockhaj]

Is there any drawings of the SK 29 ?

Yes, in several books. Here is a model of it i found on flickr.

 

[Petrus]

Is there any drawings of the SK 29 ?

Apparently there were two variants of the Sk29: one with side-by-side cockpit and the other with tandem seating.

 

[F.L.]

Apparently there were two variants of the Sk29: one with side-by-side cockpit and the other with tandem seating.

Thanks !!!

 

[Basil]

J 29R - I have read that it was also considered to place the radome in the center of the air inlet. Any known drawings?

 

[blockhaj]

J 29R - I have read that it was also considered to place the radome in the center of the air inlet. Any known drawings?

Earlier in this thread.

 

[Basil]

Earlier in this thread.

I knew I have seen it somewhere ...
Thx.

 

[Nico]

Hi,


here is the SAAB R 1001 jet fighter drawing of 1945,which later developed
into J 29,it had a mid-high straight wing of thin section,a fat barrel-like a
fuselage and sticking out above and beyond it,a slim tail boom.

Hi Hesham and all,
thank you for the sketch of the initial configuration of the R 1001. About the J-29, was the name Tunnan or Flygande tunnan part of the official designation or it isonly a nickname that remaimed "glued" to the aircraft becaming a sort of "near-official" name?
Thank you for your opinion
Nico S.

 

[blockhaj]

Hi Hesham and all,
thank you for the sketch of the initial configuration of the R 1001. About the J-29, was the name Tunnan or Flygande tunnan part of the official designation or it isonly a nickname that remaimed "glued" to the aircraft becaming a sort of "near-official" name?
Thank you for your opinion
Nico S.

The nickname Tunnan/Flygande Tunnan was coined as early as June 1948 (pre maiden flight) but was never part of the official air force designation and is not present in technical documentation or manuals etc, but it was eventually adopted by SAAB and the air force as the "official name" of the aircraft, the first one to get one, besides imported aircraft.

The same system of "designation" vs "name" is in use by the USAF ("F-16 aircraft", not "F-16 Fighting Falcon" etc), and the US army only started using names on the manuals around the time the Abrams rolled around ("tank, combat, full-tracked, 105-mm gun, M1 : General Abrams").

Previously, only the SAAB 21 had recieved a common nickname, "tvestjärten" (twintail/earwig), but it was never officially adopted as a name.

 

[blockhaj]

Interesting info from the newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, 1948-06-05, page 9:

It says that the 1001 project name of the SAAB 29 gave it the factory nickname "tusen och en natt" (One Thousand and One Nights), the title of the famous book.

It also says the name Tunnan evolved earlier during constrution.