Russian and Soviet Aircraft Carriers

The Russian Navy focus on frigates and submarines puts me in mind of cash strapped post 1966 Britain.

It is no accident that wishful thinking artwork abounded in both countries as a glance at this site shows.
 
What type are those two large height-finding radars on island of the original Pr.1160 model?
I can't place them on any other Soviet design of the period.
 
It should be Razliv, carried on the Dzerzhinsky after her conversion to Project 70E. NATO called it High Lune. There might be some detail differences but they are likely incidental. After looking at the pictures and looking up the Dzerzhinsky, they seem to be one and the same.
 
This digital illustration of the Project 1153 Orel-class nuclear aircraft carrier features MiG-23K and Beriev P-42 Garpoon fighters, in ASW and AEW variants, on its deck.
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The Yamal M-45 “TYPHOON” approaches the Project 1153 Orel-class nuclear-powered aircraft carrier
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Would be nuts to see a yeeted navalized mig-23 with steam billowing around and behind it!

Edit: I tried looking and could find no definitive answer on this. Anyone aware if project 1153 was going to use navalized gecko, or navalized tor as it's point defense missile?
 
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flateric said:
Sorry...I was fooled by artist's style - it's definitely is the same artist that makes drawings for Modelist-Konstruktor magazine section that has the same name (Morskaya Kollektziya).

BTW, found interesting site WLFSCD -
Soviet military laser ship, soviet aircraft carriers projects 1920-1955, etc.
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Все материалы с сайта «Атрина» будут постепенно перенесены на новый сайт «ОТВАГА»

All materials from the "Atrina" website will be gradually transferred to the new "OTVAG" website

http://otvaga2004.ru/
 
Would you mind giving the credit to
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Thats also from The Video Game Sea Power Naval Combat in the Missile Age, thats going to be released in a few weeks and was originally post on the Developer Txitter TriassicGames.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729919642901127446
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You can find from the YouTube that some players try to recreate some interesting Cold War scenarios, including Oscar vs CVs, the Baltic run, the hunt for Red October, lol
 
I came across some nice images of the 1959-60 TsKB-17 "PBIA" design study on Paralay (attached below). It seems that the work got pretty detailed! I hope I've got the right format for this! The poster notes

Вообще, если говорить о таком параметре, как соотношение длины ангара к длине полётной палубы, то например у ПБИА 59го года ангар выглядит весьма здоровым, в сравнении даже с тем же 11437

[First image]

Примерно 170 метров на (в самом широком месте) 20, мб чуть поуже. Для тех (американских, по своим согласно статье Морина у НПКБ инфы не было
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) истребителей вполне себе приличные размеры ангара. И это в корпусе проекта корабля длиной в 250 м с полным водоизмещением в 30 тысяч тонн. Но он тут не прямоугольной формы. А ещё тут не видно подъёмников вооружения и, по очевидным причинам, бронеящика под ПУ ПКР.

Про ангары всех остальных проектов (АВЛ-1160-1153-11435 79го года) говорить сложно - там, во всяком случае у меня, только куча предположений, основаных на планах палуб Кузи, а нам нужны как раз исключения из этого.

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Если судить по этой фотографии, и предполагать, что к Ульяновску всё не слишком изменилось, то становится всё более очевидным, на сколько сильно всё пришлось (бы) поправить в консерватории (чтобы увеличить ангар) после 11437.
Хотя на НСЗ про С-108 увы знают только то, что он упоминался, и всё. Чертежи они не получали.

До А.Б. добраться пока не удалось, мда.
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In general, if we talk about such a parameter as the ratio of the hangar length to the length of the flight deck, then for example, the hangar of the PBIA 59 looks quite healthy, in comparison even with the same 11437

About 170 meters by (at the widest point) 20, maybe a little narrower. For those (American, according to Morin's article, NPKB had no information about their own [smiley face] ) fighters, the hangar size is quite decent. And this is in the hull of a ship project 250 m long with a full displacement of 30 thousand tons. But it is not rectangular here. And here you can't see the weapons elevators and, for obvious reasons, the armored box for the anti-ship missile launcher.

It's hard to talk about the hangars of all the other projects (AVL-1160-1153-11435 of 1979) - there, at least for me, are only a bunch of assumptions based on the plans of the Kuzya decks, and we need exceptions from this.

Judging by this photo, and assuming that by Ulyanovsk everything had not changed much, it becomes increasingly obvious how much everything would have had to be corrected in the conservatory (to increase the hangar) after 11437.

Although at NSZ about S-108, alas, they only know that it was mentioned, and that's it. They did not receive the drawings.

I haven't managed to get through to A.B. yet, yeah.
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Source: https://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=225&start=5250
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The image of the deck plans seems to be of a different design from the first image - they indicate there are two deck-edge aircraft elevators instead of the one of the first image.

Does anyone know which design the deck plans go to?
 
Isn't the internal layout plans are actually of the Kuznetsov's?

Yes it is!
Look at the aft section and look at the forward rectangle where the Anti-Ship missiles were located at!
 
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First posted on this Russian naval Forum in 2015:
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ТАВКР проекта 11435 "Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов" (69/274) [Форумы Balancer.Ru]

… В знатоках себя не числю ... но вот небольшая аннотация к "Спектру-Ф" (стр. 69 из 274)
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and later on this thread in 2019:
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ТАВКР проекта 11435 "Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов" (220/274) [Форумы Balancer.Ru]

… … Тогда Вопросы: Сколько раз во время полетов убирается палуба?Ситуация при которой во время полетов, понадобилось срочно дать залп из ПКР?Сколько времени тратится на уборку района ракетной… (стр. 220 из 274)
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Some articles about Soviet carrier-based AWACS projects and the MiG-23 for aircraft carriers.

www.zona-militar.com

Los proyectos de aviones AWACS embarcados soviéticos

La historia de los desarrollos soviéticos en el campo de los aviones embarcados de alerta temprana y control aerotransportado (denominados en inglés como
www.zona-militar.com www.zona-militar.com

www.zona-militar.com

Cazas Olvidados, los MiG-23 embarcados

El MiG-23A Relampago A comienzos de los 70 la URSS tenia planes para transformar a la Armada Soviética en una fuerza naval global, estos planes incluían
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www.zona-militar.com

Los Proyectos de AWACS embarcados soviéticos - El Garpoon y el Tifón

EL GARPOON Y EL TIFÓN A mediados de la década de 1970 la Unión Soviética tenía una serie de OKBs trabajando en diseños de aviones basados en portaaviones
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www.zona-militar.com

Los proyectos de AWACS embarcados soviéticos - el Antonov An-71/An-75 "Madcap"

En 1982, luego de analizar la actuación de los Grumman E-2A Hawkeye de la Fuerza Aérea Israelita en el conflicto del Libano, el Ministerio de Defensa
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Tzoli said:
First posted on this Russian naval Forum in 2015:
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ТАВКР проекта 11435 "Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов" (69/274) [Форумы Balancer.Ru]

… В знатоках себя не числю ... но вот небольшая аннотация к "Спектру-Ф" (стр. 69 из 274)
forums.airbase.ru
and later on this thread in 2019:
forums.airbase.ru

ТАВКР проекта 11435 "Адмирал флота Советского Союза Кузнецов" (220/274) [Форумы Balancer.Ru]

… … Тогда Вопросы: Сколько раз во время полетов убирается палуба?Ситуация при которой во время полетов, понадобилось срочно дать залп из ПКР?Сколько времени тратится на уборку района ракетной… (стр. 220 из 274)
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They're a great resource, those forums!
 
Picture n°5 does not show Pr. 1143.7 Ulyanosk but Pr. 1143.5 Riga / Varyag, to become PLAN type 001 Lianonig, with the amunition lift stuck down, which resulted in much internal weather-induced damage.
 

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