Post-war Horten designs

[Erdosain]

There was a IA-38 with four RR Nene turbojet in place of piston engines.

 

[Mark Nankivil]

There was a IA-38 with four RR Nene turbojet in place of piston engines.

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I don't believe that was built - will need to check my Reimar Horten book on that. For what the IA-38 was meant for - a utility transport, the jet powered version doesn't make much sense.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[hesham]

My dear Mark,

there is nothing in this book about it.

 

[Erdosain]

Ir

There was a IA-38 with four RR Nene turbojet in place of piston engines.

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I don't believe that was built - will need to check my Reimar Horten book on that. For what the IA-38 was meant for - a utility transport, the jet powered version doesn't make much sense.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

It was only a project, not a prototype

 

[hesham]

Welcome aboard Crane,

and thank you for those drawings and Projects.

 

[boxkite]

Thank you very much. As time passes, more material is being released about a threat from Argentina. Meanwhile, Eugen Sänger was working on the Sänger II space plane in Germany, which was also derived from wartime work.

Eugen Sänger died in 1964. MBB proposed the Sänger II at the end of the 1980s, so he never worked on this concept.

 

[Erdosain]

Horten's tailless fighter. Digital art by Alejandro Klichowski

 

[riggerrob]

There was a IA-38 with four RR Nene turbojet in place of piston engines.

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I don't believe that was built - will need to check my Reimar Horten book on that. For what the IA-38 was meant for - a utility transport, the jet powered version doesn't make much sense.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Agreed!
A jet-powered "Orange" I. AE 38 cargo plane does not make much sense considering the high fuel consumption of first-generation, centrifugal jet engines. It would only be profitable if consumers were wiling to pay very high prices for fresh fruit.

 

[edwest4]

Thank you very much. As time passes, more material is being released about a threat from Argentina. Meanwhile, Eugen Sänger was working on the Sänger II space plane in Germany, which was also derived from wartime work.

View attachment 628703 Eugen Sänger died in 1964. MBB proposed the Sänger II at the end of the 1980s, so he never worked on this concept.

Strange reply. I know when Sänger died. It's called the Sänger II because he didn't work on it? "Between 1961 and 1963 he acted as a consultant for Junkers in designing a ramjet-powered space-plane that never left the drawing board."

 

[Bazinga]

1954 Les Ailes https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k32012284/f9.item

 

[nuuumannn]

In Dan Sharp's magazine Hitler's Wonder Weapon Tailless Projects (Morton's Media Group, 2017) there is a few pages dedicated to the Horten VIII, a project launched during the war and left incomplete with large components lying around in a garage near Gottingen. The basis of this design was redrawn as a project for the British and was to be powered by six de Havilland Gipsy Queen 51 engines. Attachment as per the magazine. From the magazine, it resembles the Naranjero in layout and size, only with six engines, although unusually there is no mention of the Naranjero in the magazine.

 

[nuuumannn]

These two post war Horten gliders are on show at the MNA, Buenos Aires. The I.Ae.41 Urubu and two of the unflown H Xb Piernifero II.

 

[Erdosain]

one of the last images of the IA-38 before being scrapped

 

[Erdosain]

- The test pilot Rogelio Balado getting into the cabin of the IA-37.
- FMA IA-38
- Reimar Horten. on the IA-37

 

[Erdosain]

Some articles written by Dr Reimar Horten in the 50s on the design and testing of flying wings. They were published in the Revista Nacional de Aeronautica, an official publication of the Argentine Air Force. PART 1

 

[Erdosain]

Some articles written by Dr Reimar Horten in the 50s on the design and testing of flying wings. They were published in the Revista Nacional de Aeronautica, an official publication of the Argentine Air Force. PART 2

 

[Erdosain]

FMA IA-38 in flight. Unknown artist

 

[Erdosain]

An article written by Juan Manuel Mascarello about the I.Ae.34 Clen Antú and other by Roberto Tacchi, Who was one of the pilots of the Ho-Xa Piernifero, about the Horten's Pierniferos

 

[Erdosain]

FMA IA-37 in flight, IA-37 subsonic and supersonic wind tunnel model

 

[Erdosain]

El FMA IA-37 de Reimar Horten y su busqueda por atravesar la barrera del sonido

Por Hernan Longoni Llegar a ese lejano 01 de octubre de 1954, fecha histórica en la que voló por vez primera el planeador de madera - remolcado - a escala

www.zona-militar.com

 

[Erdosain]

Cross section of IA-38. Original drawing of the FMA

 

[Erdosain]

FMA IA-48. Original drawing of the FMA

 

[Erdosain]

Different variants of the IA-37 designed by Dr Reimar Horten at the FMA, including a four-person transport with delta wing and conventional wing

 

[Erdosain]

Presentation of the restored FMA IAe.34M Clen Antú at the Museo de la Industria de Córdoba on December 5, 2006.

In the last photo the team of restorers. Diego Horten on the right, next to him Roberto Tacchi, behind Eng. Morchio, designer of the Pulqui I.

On the right , or behind the left wing, were Eng. Bartolini (who, together with Tacchi, participated in the construction of the Horten Ho-Xa and Ho-Xb Pierniferos and flew the Ho-Xa) chatting with Eng. Morchio, dressed with a suit and tie, one of thevdesigners of the Pulqui I..

The three youngest are the members of the restoration team. Also appearing in the photo Diego Horten (son of Reimar Horten) on the left, next to him Roberto Tacchi (who together with Bartolini participated in the construction of the Horten Ho-Xa and Ho-Xb Pierniferos and flew the Ho-Xa ). behind, in a suit, appears part of the head of Ing. Morchio, one of the designers of the Pulqui I.

 

[Erdosain]

I don't know exactly where the version came from that an IA-48 was projected to operate from the ARA aircraft carriers, equipped with nozzles that could be tilted to help it take off.

With that weight and size, it could not take off from the ARA Independencia, an aircraft carrier from which only the T-28 Fennec and T-6 Texan operated, since it did not have the capacity to deploy fighter jets, not even the COAN Panther and Cougar.

Nor could it have operated from the ARA 25 de Mayo, it had to be modified after the Malvinas war to be able to embark the Super Etendard, a light fighter-bomber if compared to the IA-48.

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[Badner]

Reimar Horten's Flying wing designs in Argentina

 

[Badner]

Horten's Designs in Argentina : Part 2

 

[Badner]

The I.A. 38 was a flying wing projected by Reinmar Horten at the Instituto Aeroténico, in Córdoba. Due to his rivarly with Tank, a designer that had the ear of president Perón, development progressed slowly at first, a situation later complicated by the Argentine's financial situation. The prototype was completed in 1959, when the FMA had undergone a major reorganization and was designated as DINFIA.
It was intended to fit the protorype with four El Indio 620 hp radials, but teething problems with this power plant forced Reinmar to employed thI>A. 16 Rl Gaucho engines, salvaged from the I.Aé 22 advanced trainer

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Topics merged.

 

[Erdosain]

IA-38 on the FMA runway.









Credits: https://www.zona-militar.com/foros/threads/todo-sobre-la-fma.32609/page-16#post-2947225

 

[TsrJoe]

Beautiful images of the IA-38, many thanks for posting. A random query, what colour was the prototype ? Iv seen scale models finished in overall grey, light brown and even orange ?



Many thanks, Joe

 

[Badner]

Virtually all the original; photos of the I.A. 37 and I.38 were taken by one of the German specialists contracted c. 1947, which were sent to my c. 2007 by Peter Sellinger (see , …

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[Badner]

By the way, the idea that there was a naval version of the I.A 48 is mere phantasy, it is simply a mistranslation of a series of launchings tests conducted over Lake San Roque, in Córdoba, of a model of the I.A. 37 air launched by sandows. By the way, In Nurflugel Horten relates in some detail not only the material shortages experienced by IAME, even when it came to wood for his gliders, and concludes that the IA 48 (or the IA 37) were projects far too advanced for an underdeveloped country such as Argentina.
1 the wooden scale model of the I.A. 37 launched over Lake San Roque,
2) Dipl. Ing. K. Nickel

 

[Badner]

1954 Les Ailes https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k32012284/f9.item


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Similar photos appeared in the Argentine press in mid 1956.

 

[Erdosain]

FMA IA-38 Naranjero

Las alas de Peron - Aeronautica Argentina 1945-1960

 

[Badner]

Additional data on the IA 37 (from Argentina's Fabrica Militar de Aviones") also check my thread on the I.A 24

 

[Erdosain]

Tailless fighter plane by Reimar Horten. Book "Las alas de Peron. Aeronautica Argentina 1945-1960" by Ricardo Burzaco

 

[Erdosain]

Hermosas imágenes del IA-38, muchas gracias por publicarlas. Una consulta aleatoria, ¿de qué color era el prototipo? ¿He visto modelos a escala acabados en general gris, marrón claro e incluso naranja?



muchas gracias joe

It was olive green and due to some compound in paint over time it changed to a dark olive green

 

[Badner]

@aleklicho art

From Nazi Germany to Argentina — A Proposal for the World’s First Small, Supersonic Cruise Missile​

An expensive idea for a poor country​

by GONZALO RENGEL

Argentina was almost the first country to develop a small, supersonic cruise missile. Way back in 1960.

On May 30 of that year, Dr. Reimar Horten — a former warplane designer for Nazi Germany — met with officials at the Aerotechnical Institute of Argentina’s Military Aircraft Factory, or FMA, to propose what he described as “supersonic flying bomb.”

Horten had emigrated to Argentina after World War II, leaving behind his brother, an equally accomplished aeronautical engineer.

Although Horten cast his flying bomb as a logical evolution of Germany’s wartime V-1 buzz bomb, in concept it had more in common with today’s supersonic cruise missiles.

Horten’s missile never got past the concept stage — fortunately, perhaps, for British forces that would battle the Argentine military 22 years later.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Another Horten design, a 4-seat executive jet which never went further than the design table:

 

[Erdosain]

@aleklicho art

From Nazi Germany to Argentina — A Proposal for the World’s First Small, Supersonic Cruise Missile​

An expensive idea for a poor country​

by GONZALO RENGEL

Argentina was almost the first country to develop a small, supersonic cruise missile. Way back in 1960.

On May 30 of that year, Dr. Reimar Horten — a former warplane designer for Nazi Germany — met with officials at the Aerotechnical Institute of Argentina’s Military Aircraft Factory, or FMA, to propose what he described as “supersonic flying bomb.”

Horten had emigrated to Argentina after World War II, leaving behind his brother, an equally accomplished aeronautical engineer.

Although Horten cast his flying bomb as a logical evolution of Germany’s wartime V-1 buzz bomb, in concept it had more in common with today’s supersonic cruise missiles.

Horten’s missile never got past the concept stage — fortunately, perhaps, for British forces that would battle the Argentine military 22 years later.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Another Horten design, a 4-seat executive jet which never went further than the design table:

Do not repeat themes or photos, please.

The article on Horten's supersonic cruise missile was written by me (by the way, my name is Gonzalo, not Gaston) and I uploaded it in its English and Spanish versions in post 38 of the previous page.

The image of the 4-seater executive jet is uploaded in post 63 of this same page.