Pluto flyby: New Horizons

It will be interesting to see if there will be any more KBO flyby's by New Horizons. It obviously depends on where New Horizons is in regards to what KBO it targets.
 
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Interesting news, does that mean that there will be another possible flyby of a KBO planned?
 
Not sure, Ultima Thule ate most of the prop left after the 2015 encounter. We shall know soon...
 
FighterJock said:
Archibald said:
Not sure, Ultima Thule ate most of the prop left after the 2015 encounter. We shall know soon...
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It will be a shame if New Horizons does not get to do another flyby of a KBO because of the issue of the onboard fuel.
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Alas, Robert Heinlein taught us "there ain't such thing as a free launch / lunch"
Well it also applies in deep space. Unless they find a KBO pretty close from New Horizon present trajectory, no way to bend the trajectory without prop.
See Voyager 1 past Saturn and Voyager 2 past Neptune - no prop left and no meaningful gravity field to bounce off = no possible trajectory change.
 
archipeppe said:
My 2 cent: New Horizons has already achieved more than expected, so even if the mission should end now it worthed any dollar put on it.
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You are quite right archipeppe, New Horizons will go down in spaceflight history as the probe that helped change how we look at the outer solar system.
 
I really recommend this book. It chronicles the tortured history of the probe from Alan Stern's perspective, explaining the crises and trade-offs along the way. It's a miracle that it was ever launched. A lot of people in charge of funding thought that Pluto would be boring and not worth the expense...
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Hobbes said:
They have to find a target first, they're still working on that.
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I'd guess they blew their recon on Arrokoth. They'd have surveyed the entire flight cone for targets. And NH is now >50Au out, IIRC. You're not spotting anything smaller than 50-100km that far out, and there's not that many bodies that big out there.
 
chimeric oncogene said:
I'd guess they blew their recon on Arrokoth. They'd have surveyed the entire flight cone for targets. And NH is now >50Au out, IIRC. You're not spotting anything smaller than 50-100km that far out, and there's not that many bodies that big out there.
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Between Akkoroth's discovery and the Akkoroth encounter, the survey continued. They haven't found anything yet, so I agree another flyby is unlikely.

Akkoroth is 36 km long, and it showed up as a splodge (not a single pixel) in Hubble images:

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Perhaps this means objects smaller than 50 km can still be seen at that distance.
 
During current state it main mission, if's finance until April 30, 2021.

if prolong, New Horizon could made one or two KBO fly-by

the probe RTG run out power in late 2030s
in 2038 New Horizon will be 100 AU fron Sun.
 
Michel Van said:
During current state it main mission, if's finance until April 30, 2021.

if prolong, New Horizon could made one or two KBO fly-by

the probe RTG run out power in late 2030s
in 2038 New Horizon will be 100 AU fron Sun.
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I did not know that New Horizons had enough fuel in the RTG to last until the 2030s.
 
Michel Van said:
probe RTG run out power in late 2030s
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Voyager's RTG seems to still be working at reduced power after forty years in space. NH could last substantially longer than spec.

New Horizons: 2019 Onward

The New Horizons spacecraft launched on January 19, 2006 – beginning its odyssey to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt. New Horizons now continues on its unparalleled journey of exploration with the close flyby of a Kuiper Belt object called 2014 MU69 – officially named Arrokoth – on January 1, 2019.
pluto.jhuapl.edu

Hmm... this is interesting. They're talking about redoing the software on NH to enable it to work as a Kuiper Belt telescope station, with LORRI being the main instrument, presumably for distant (~AU) flybys of SDOs. Because Hubble time is expensive, and sky surveys at that distance are hard, they're also talking about using LORRI as the survey instrument instead of Earth based telescopes to find targets for those flybys.

That must have been the conference the tweet waa talking about.

I wonder if they could make LORRI do parallax observations, like TAU was supposed to.
 
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Rhinocrates said:
I really recommend this book. It chronicles the tortured history of the probe from Alan Stern's perspective, explaining the crises and trade-offs along the way. It's a miracle that it was ever launched. A lot of people in charge of funding thought that Pluto would be boring and not worth the expense...
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27 years ago one of the first space themed magazine I bought, aged 11, had the headline "NASA target Pluto". By 1993 this was "Pluto fast flyby" and NH only launched a decade later or more... yet Alan Stern was already part of the team.

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chimeric oncogene said:
Michel Van said:
probe RTG run out power in late 2030s
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Voyager's RTG seems to still be working at reduced power after forty years in space. NH could last substantially longer than spec.

New Horizons: 2019 Onward

The New Horizons spacecraft launched on January 19, 2006 – beginning its odyssey to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt. New Horizons now continues on its unparalleled journey of exploration with the close flyby of a Kuiper Belt object called 2014 MU69 – officially named Arrokoth – on January 1, 2019.
pluto.jhuapl.edu

Hmm... this is interesting. They're talking about redoing the software on NH to enable it to work as a Kuiper Belt telescope station, with LORRI being the main instrument, presumably for distant (~AU) flybys of SDOs. Because Hubble time is expensive, and sky surveys at that distance are hard, they're also talking about using LORRI as the survey instrument instead of Earth based telescopes to find targets for those flybys.

That must have been the conference the tweet waa talking about.

I wonder if they could make LORRI do parallax observations, like TAU was supposed to.
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That is highly interesting news about New Horizons. Using it as a Kuiper Belt telescope would be a good idea, though it depends on how much thruster fuel remains as to what potential KBO targets New Horizons observes.
 
chimeric oncogene said:
Michel Van said:
probe RTG run out power in late 2030s
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Voyager's RTG seems to still be working at reduced power after forty years in space. NH could last substantially longer than spec.
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No. The factors that influence RTG power are well-known: Plutonium decay (which is entirely predictable) and thermocouple degradation (which can be measured accurately). The point at which the RTG can no longer power the minimum combination of equipment can be calculated with good accuracy.

Voyager still works because it had a large power margin at launch. NH's power margin was much smaller.

Voyager also has several power-hungry instruments that could be switched off after the planetary encounters (the camera platform and cameras, for example). Much of Voyager's longevity is caused by clever power management (beyond what was envisioned at launch), including careful experimentation (turning off various heaters) to run instruments out of spec.
This can be done with New Horizons too, to a degree, but NH has far fewer unknowns to take advantage of.
 
Hobbes said:
chimeric oncogene said:
Michel Van said:
probe RTG run out power in late 2030s
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Voyager's RTG seems to still be working at reduced power after forty years in space. NH could last substantially longer than spec.
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No. The factors that influence RTG power are well-known: Plutonium decay (which is entirely predictable) and thermocouple degradation (which can be measured accurately). The point at which the RTG can no longer power the minimum combination of equipment can be calculated with good accuracy.

Voyager still works because it had a large power margin at launch. NH's power margin was much smaller.

Voyager also has several power-hungry instruments that could be switched off after the planetary encounters (the camera platform and cameras, for example). Much of Voyager's longevity is caused by clever power management (beyond what was envisioned at launch), including careful experimentation (turning off various heaters) to run instruments out of spec.
This can be done with New Horizons too, to a degree, but NH has far fewer unknowns to take advantage of.
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Also those geeks at JPL deliberately (and discretely) build the two Voyagers with colossal margins, for a simple reason.
The original Grand Tour not only had the TOPS advanced and extremely durable computer.
It also had four probes, not two (and a half).
Thus unlike the lone Voyager 2 that flew by all four big planets, Grand Tour was to split, Uranus, and Neptune, and Pluto (as a bonus) between separated probes. This meant that these probes could flew shorter / faster trips - avoiding one or another gas giants to get to Neptune or Pluto faster.
Voyager not only lost the TOPS computer, it also lost 50% of the fleet, and finally, it used a beefed-up Mariner, except the farther a Mariner had ever gone back then was Mars or perhaps the asteroid belt. There were real anguish a Mariner couldn't make it to Jupiter or to Saturn, and even less to the outer gas giants.
But Congress and the Shuttle, and also an agonizing NERVA, had screwed Grand Tour late 1971. Administrator Fletcher was lucky so salvage Mariner Jupiter Saturn early 1972.

JPL then decided to make lemons into lemonade. They quietly started building two MJS, plus a backup, with colossal redundancy and margins. They stuffed the RTGs with a boatload of plutonium, to the point that, well, those things are still working nowadays.
In the end the Voyagers that reached the launch pad in August 1977 discretely threw a giant middle finger to Congress and all the others that had tried to cancell the program.
 
The same thing they done with Cassini
filled it up with RTG up to max
To provide the Instruments maximum power need for mission.

and used a Titan IV as giant middle finger toward the crazy environmentalist...
 
In both cases the RTGs were filled with the amount of plutonium they were designed for, not "a boatload of plutonium".
 
Two related articles on a current New Horizons science project:

New Horizons, Hubble Team Up for a Simultaneous Look at Uranus

NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and New Horizons spacecraft simultaneously set their sights on Uranus recently, allowing scientists to make a direct comparison of the planet from two very different viewpoints. The results inform future plans to study like types of planets around other stars.
pluto.jhuapl.edu

New Horizons, Hubble Team Up for a Simultaneous Look at Uranus

NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and New Horizons spacecraft simultaneously set their sights on Uranus recently, allowing scientists to make a direct comparison of the planet from two very different viewpoints. The results inform future plans to study like types of planets around other stars.
pluto.jhuapl.edu
 
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A weblink about the parallax measurements :-

New Horizons parallax experiment observes an alien sky

NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft, now over 4.3 billion miles (6.9 billion km) from Earth, successfully imaged two nearby stars displaced from the locations in the sky where they are seen from Earth in its April stellar parallax experiment. Parallax is the displacement of the apparent position of...
www.spaceflightinsider.com

cheers,
Robin.
 
FighterJock said:
That is excellent news Flyaway, I think that there should be another mission to Pluto to explore this underground ocean, also it would be good if there were some form of life living in the sub surface ocean.
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Eh. I vote for a Uranus or Neptune system mission first (Triton's going to be interesting to compare with Pluto), a centaur, or a mission to Eris or another trans-Neptunian population (Yes, Arrakoth counts, but a bigger one might be nice too). With mission opportunities this limited, coverage rather than depth seems to be the watchword.
 
chimeric oncogene said:
FighterJock said:
That is excellent news Flyaway, I think that there should be another mission to Pluto to explore this underground ocean, also it would be good if there were some form of life living in the sub surface ocean.
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Eh. I vote for a Uranus or Neptune system mission first (Triton's going to be interesting to compare with Pluto), a centaur, or a mission to Eris or another trans-Neptunian population (Yes, Arrakoth counts, but a bigger one might be nice too). With mission opportunities this limited, coverage rather than depth seems to be the watchword.
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I would like all three planets to get missions, but it depends on where NASA wants to go and what mission gets the big money.
 
Flyaway said:

Five Years after New Horizons’ Historic Flyby, Here Are 10 Cool Things We Learned About Pluto - NASA

Five years ago today, NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft made history. After a voyage of nearly 10 years and more than 3 billion miles, the intrepid piano-sized
www.nasa.gov
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Five years since the Pluto flyby? It does not see that long. But we have learned a lot since the flyby such as Pluto possibly having a sub-surface ocean beneath the frozen surface, the possibility of life in that ocean may be the same as that of Europa.
 
View: https://twitter.com/plutoport/status/1285317697681584128


New Horizons is now back in spin mode and ready to resume science data download. We had been in 3-axis mode (picture taking mode) since Apr 20 and had only downlink bandwidth for sc health and safety data and a few parallax images.
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View: https://twitter.com/alanstern/status/1305901550288674818


#PI_Daily Alert! Yesterday we decided to make the next @NewHorizons2015 Kuiper Belt Object (KBO) observations this December! These will consist of telescopic observations of 3 to 6 distant KBOs to determine shapes, surface properties & to search for moons. #NASA #Science #Space
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