Which is the better piston fighter if they both gone to production?

  • XP-72

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Due to the jet age, various super props never go to production despite their high performance. Among those, it can be said that XP-72 and Spiteful F.16 were the most high capable design.
So let say if these prototype got to production stage, which would be the ultimate piston fighter?
XP-72
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Performance of the XP-72 .
Sea level speed: 405mph (651 km/h)
Top speed: 490mph (788.5 km/h) at 25,000 feet
3.5 minutes to 15000 feet
Engine horsepower:
3450hp at SL
3000hp at 25000 feet!
Normal take off weight: 14,760 lb (6,695 kg)
Wing area: 27.9 m2
Wing loading: 239.9 kg/m2
Power to weight: 0.515 hp/kg (0.233 hp/lbs)
Weapons:
Six 0.50 caliber machine gun

Spiteful Mk XVI (also known as Spiteful F.16)
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Performance of Spiteful XVI (F.16)
Top speed: 494 mph (795 km/h) at 27,800 ft (8,473 m).
There is no information about low level top speed of Spiteful Mk XVI (F.16) however, Spiteful Mk.XIV (F.14) with pretty much same aerodynamic and a weaker 2,375 hp (1,771 kW) Rolls-Royce Griffon 69 could achieve: 409 mph (658 km/h) at sea level, 437 mph (703 km/h) at 5,500 ft (1,676 m) and and 483 mph (777 km/h) at 21,000 ft (6,401 m)
Engine horse power:
Spiteful number RB518 was fitted with a 2,420 hp (1,805 kW) Griffon 101 engine to become the sole Spiteful F.XVI (F.16). The Griffon 101 had a two-stage, three-speed supercharger and turned a five-blade, single rotation propeller.
Normal take off weight: 4513 kg
Wing area: 20 m2
Wing loading: 225.65 kg/m2
Power to weight: 0.536 hp/kg (0.24 hp/lbs)
Weapons:
Four 20 mm cannon.

Compare with some mass produced super props.
P-51H
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Performance of the P-51H
Sea level speed: 413 mph ( 664.6 km/h)
Top speed: 474 mph (762.8 km/h) at 22,700 ft
Engine horsepower:
Merlin V-1650-9
engine with 2218 HP at WEP
Normal take off weight: 9450 lbs (4286 kg)
Wing area: 21.6 m2 (233.3 ft2)
Wing loading: 198.4 kg/m2
Power to weight: 0.517 hp/kg (0.234 hp/lbs)
Weapons:
Six 0.50 caliber machine gun

F4U-5
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Performance of the F4U-5

Sea level speed: 347 knots = 399 mph (642 km/h)
Top speed: 408 knots = 469.5 mph (755.6 km/h) at 27,000 ft
Engine horsepower:
R-2800-32W engine with 2760 HP at WEP
Normal take off weight: 12,901 lbs (5851.79 kg)
Wing area: 29.172 m2 ( 314 ft2)
Wing loading: 200.5 kg/m2
Power to weight: 0.47 hp/kg ( 0.213 hp/lbs)
Weapons:
Four 20 mm cannon
 
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Curtiss YP-60E (Model 95D) technical data

Power plant: one 2,000 Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10, 18 cylinder, air-cooled radial engine, with General Electric turbo-supercharger, driving a four-bladed propeller, wingspan: 41.4 ft (12.62 m), length: 36.8 ft (11.23 m), height: 10.7 ft (3.27 m), wing area: 284 sq. ft (25.54 sq. m), maximum speed: 405 mph (652 kph), maximum weight: 11,520 lbs (5,225 kg), climb rate: 4,200 ft/min (1,280 m/min), service ceiling: 34,000 ft (10,363 m), armament: six 0.50 cal M2 wing mounted machine guns with 250 rounds per gun.
 

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Curtiss XF14 C-2 technical data

Power plant: one 2,300 hp Wright XR-3350-16 eighteen-cylinder turbo-supercharged radial engine driving a six-bladed contra-rotating airscrew, wingspan: 46 ft (14 m), length: 37.8 ft (11.5 m), height: 17 ft (5.18 m), wing area: 375 sq. ft (33.75 sq. m), max speed: 398 mph (640 kph), max weight: 14,582 lbs (6,606 kg), service ceiling: 39,500 ft (12,042 m), armament: four wing mounted 20 mm cannons with 166 rounds per gun.
 

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Republic XP-47H technical data

Wingspan: 12.44 m (40 ft-10 inch), length: 11.68 m (38 ft-4 in), height: 4.31 m (14 ft-2 in), wing area: 27.87 sq. m. (300 sq. ft), max weight: 6,355 kg (14,010 lbs), max speed: 666 kph (414 mph), ceiling: 10,973 m (36,000 ft), range: 1,239 km (770 mls).
 

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Republic XP-47J technical data

Wingspan: 12.44 m (40 ft-10 inch), length: 10.10 m (33 ft-3 in), height: 4.31 m (14 ft-2 in), wing area: 27.87 sq. m. (300 sq. ft), max weight: 5,625 kg (12,400 lbs), max speed: 813 kph (505 mph), ceiling: 13,716 m (45,000 ft), range: 1,722 km (1,070 mls), armament: 6 x 0.50 in Browning heavy machine guns.
 

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Republic XP-72 technical data

Wingspan: 12.47 m (40.9 ft), length: 11.28 m (37 ft), height: 4.87 m (16 ft), estimated max speed: 811 kph (504 mph) at 7,620 m (25,000 ft), armament: 4 x 37-mm M10 cannons.
 

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In spring 1943 the Americans launched five programmes to improve the P-51 D performances.



For a weight saving, the airframe was extensively redesigned as XP-51F. To eliminate unnecessary structure, high-strength 75 ST aluminium and plastics were also employed. Principal changes included a much thinner cross-section wing, with straight leading edge, a lighter landing gear with small wheels and removal of the fuel tank behind the pilot.

To save drag, the radiator housing was redesigned with a smaller chin scoop.

The only added weight was due to the fitting of a longer bubble canopy that required one hydraulic device to move.



On February 1944 the XP-51F performing its first flight.

The prototype weighted 1,468 kg (3,229 lbs) less than the P-51 D-NA and was 47 kph (29 mph) faster powered by the same engine. To save weight the standard airscrew was replaced by one hollow-steel, three-bladed Aero Products propeller, the armament was reduced to four 0.50 cal machine guns with 250 rounds per gun and the oil cooler was replaced with a heat exchanger.



The XP-51 G was flown in 9 August 1944, powered by one 1,500 hp. Rolls-Royce Merlin 14 SM engine driving a five-bladed Rotol airscrew with 3.35 m (11 ft) of diameter. The British engine reaching 2,200 hp. emergency power burning 150 octane fuel, 130 per cent more power than the original engine.

The XP-51 G weighted 1,546 kg (3,401 lbs) less than the P-51 D-NA and was 57 kph (35.4 mph) faster.

Only two prototypes were built.



On 3 February, 1945 the P-51 H first flight tests were performed, powered by one Allison V-1650-9 engine, with 370 hp less than the V-1650-7 standard used by the P-51 D-NA. The P-51 H was 81 kph (50 mph) faster and weighted 370 kg (814 lbs) less, with the same armament.

Over 370 units were delivered to the USAAF prior the V-J Day, too late to see actual combat.



The fastest version of the line, named XP-51 J, was flown in 23 April, 1945 powered by one 1,500 hp. Allison V-1710-119 engine which offered over 1,720 hp. at 6,100 m (20,000 ft) altitude, with water injection and 150 octane fuel.

The prototype weighted 1,432 kg (3,150 lbs) less than the P-51 D-NA and was 87 kph (54 mph) faster.

To save drag the cooling systems were redesigned, with coolant and oil radiators in one ventral fairing. The carburettor intake was also moved to the ventral radiator scoop.

Only two prototypes were built.
 

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On March 1944 Supermarine initiated the design of the Type 391 (a 120 per cent homothetic enlarged version of the N5/45 Seafang), powered by one 3,500 hp Rolls-Royce Eagle II, twenty-four cylinder, horizontal H, liquid-cooled engine driving a six-bladed contra-rotating airscrew. On 20 June 1944, the project was submitted to the Royal Navy but was eventually dropped in favour of the Type 392 jet-powered fighter.



Type 391 technical data



Wingspan: 46.3 ft (13.3 m), length: 39.7 ft (12.10 m), height: 14.8 ft (4.54 m), wing area: 335 sq. ft (31.2 sq. m), maximum weight: 15,750 lbs (7,144 kg), estimated maximum speed: 546 mph (879 kph), range: 880 mls (1,415 km), armament: four wing-mounted 20 mm Hispano cannons.
 

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Fury LA610 technical data



Power plant: One Rolls-Royce Griffon 85, twelve cylinder ‘V’, liquid cooled engine, rated at 2,340 hp, driving a six-bladed contra-rotating airscrew, or one Napier Sabre VII, twenty-four cylinder ‘H’, liquid-cooled engine rated at 3,055 hp, wingspan: 38.6 ft (11.77 m), length: 34.6 ft (10.54 m), height: 14.6 ft (4.5 m), wing surface: 284.5 sq. ft (25.6 sq. m), maximum weight: 12,120 lbs (4,236 kg), maximum speed: 483 m.p.h. (777 kph), climb rate: 4,706 ft/min, ceiling: 41,500 ft (12,652 m), armament: four wing-mounted 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons.
 

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P.1027 technical data



Power plant: One Rolls-Royce Eagle 22, twenty-four cylinder ‘H’, liquid cooled engine, rated at 3,500 hp, driving a six-bladed contra-rotating airscrew with 12.8 ft of diameter, wingspan: 41 ft (12.5 m), length: 36.8 ft (11.2 m), height: 13.8 ft (4.2 m), wing surface: 302 sq. ft (28.1 sq. m), armament: four wing-mounted 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons.
 

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P.1030 technical data



Power plant: One Rolls-Royce Eagle 22, twenty-four cylinder ‘H’, liquid cooled engine, rated at 3,500 hp, driving an eight-bladed contra-rotating airscrew with 13.4 ft of diameter, wingspan: 42 ft (12.8 m), length: 39.9 ft (12.1 m), height: 15.9 ft (4.8 m), wing surface: 350 sq. ft (32.3 sq. m), maximum weight: 14,200 lbs (6,441 kg), estimated maximum speed: 509 m.p.h. (819 kph), armament: four wing-mounted 20 mm Hispano Mk.V cannons.
 

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B-48 technical data

Power plant: One Bristol Centaurus 59, 18 cylinder radial, air cooled engine, rated at 2,825 hp, driving a five-bladed, constant-speed airscrew, wingspan: 45 ft (13.71m), length: 39.3 ft (11.98 m), height: 14.5 ft (4.42 m), wing surface: 361.5 sq. ft (33.6 sq. m), maximum weight: 16,000 lbs (7,620 kg), maximum speed: 380 mph (612 kph), service ceiling: 31,600 ft, range: 900 mls (1,448 km), armament: two wing-mounted 0.5-in machine guns or two 35 mm cannons in underwing nacelles, one 951 kg torpedo or 8x60 lbs rockets.
 

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M.B.5 technical data



Power plant: One Rolls-Royce Griffon 83, 12 cylinder ‘V’, liquid cooled engine, rated at 2,305 hp, driving one de Havilland six-bladed counter-rotating airscrew, wingspan: 35 ft (10.67 m), length: 37.7 ft (11.5 m), height: 14.3 ft (4.37 m), wing surface: 262.6 sq. ft (24.4 sq. m), maximum weight: 12.090 lbs (5,489 kg), maximum speed: 460 m.p.h. (740 kph), service ceiling: 40,000 ft (12,190 m), range: 1,100 mls (1,770 km), armament: four wing-mounted 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannon with 200 rounds per gun.
 

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Arsenal VB.10 technical data



Power plant: two 860 hp Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12 Y-31, 12-cylinder ‘V’, liquid-cooled engines or two 1,150 hp H.S. 12 Z Ars 15/16, wingspan: 50.8 ft (15.49 m), length: 42.6 ft (12.98 m), height: 17 ft (5.2 m), wing area: 382 sq.ft. (35.5 sq.m), maximum weight: 21,737 lbs (9,860 kg), maximum speed: 435 mph. (700 kph), climb rate: 2,008 ft/min, armament: four wing-mounted H.S.404 cannon of 20 mm with 150 rounds per gun.
 

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S.E. 582 technical data



Power plant: one 3,000 hp Hispano-Suiza 24 Z, twenty-four-cylinder ‘X’ liquid-cooled engine driving a six-bladed contra-rotating airscrew with 3.5 m of diameter, wingspan: 52 ft (15.86 m), length: 42.6 ft (13 m), height: 14.2 ft (4.35 m), wing surface: 390 sq. ft (35.09 sq. m), estimated max weight: 18,656 lbs (8,451 kg), estimated max speed: 466 m.p.h. (749 kph), estimated ceiling: 44,608 ft (13,600 m), estimated range:1,709 miles (2,750 km), armament: one 30 mm engine-mounted cannon shooting through the hub propellers, four wing-mounted H.S. 404 canons of 20 mm and eight MAC M-39 machine guns of 7.5 mm. A bomb of 600 kg or a torpedo of 690 kg under the fuselage.
 

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Commonwealth CA-15​



To meet the RAAF Specification 2/42, the CAC was instructed to design a new fighter named CA-15 in October 1942 to be propelled by the 2,000 hp Pratt Whitney R-2800-21 air cooled radial engine with single-stage/single-speed supercharger and General Electric B-9 exhaust-driven turbocharger. It would soon be available as it used same power plant than the American Thunderbolts, Hellcats, Corsairs and Marauders. On 4 November 1942 ‘Report No. A-87’ was published depicting a first design of the CA-15, fitted with semi-elliptical wings, R-2800-21 engine with four-bladed wooden propeller, four 0.303 in Browning Mk II machine guns and two 20 mm Hispano Mk II cannons.



As it turned out, the R-2800-21 was not available by the beginning of 1943 and the design was modified to adapt it to the 2,100 hp R-2800-43 engine, optimised for medium altitude operations, with single stage/two speed supercharger and liquid cooled Airesearch intercooler. The engine-cowling adopted a more streamlined shape, the propeller was three-bladed, and the ‘Boomerang’ standard armament was replaced by four 20 mm Hispano Mk II cannons and two 0.303 in Browning Mk II machine guns.



By early 1943, the CA-15 was redesigned as high-altitude interceptor, with NACA 66 laminar flow wings and 12.19 m wingspan. The power plant was one 2,180 hp R-2800-10W (with two-speed/two-stage General Electric Type C turbocharger and liquid cooled intercooler) driving one CAC four bladed, hydraulically operated, constant speed, wooden propeller of 3.89 m diameter. The proposed armament was six 0.50 inches Colt Browning machine guns mounted on the wing and the estimated maximum speed was of 702 kph.



To meet the RAAF Specification 2/43, calling for a low-medium altitude long range fighter, the CAC proposed the August 1943 design, the turbocharger was removed, and the engine was fitted with a single-stage, two-speed supercharger. Four months later, the supercharger site was changed, being installed under the engine in one enormous cowling with large exhaust pipe under the fuselage. A configuration that had already been tested in the Curtiss XF14C.



On May 1944 the CAC was disappointed to learn that the 10W engine was no longer in production and considered its replacement by a 2,800 hp R-2800-57W with single-speed/ single-stage supercharger and GE Type CH-5 turbo-supercharger. On June, the cooling fan was replaced by a ‘Thunderbolt style’ airscoop placed under the engine. The estimated maximum speed was 796 kph.



On August the CA-15 prototype was around 50 percent complete and the availability of 57W engine became doubtful. The 2,500 hp Bristol Centaurus engine was considered but its performance would have been substantially reduced from that of the R-2800-57W. They finally selected the 2,440 hp Rolls-Royce Griffon 125 twelve-cylinder, Vee, liquid-cooled engine (with two-stage/three-speed supercharger) driving three-bladed contra-rotating airscrews. For its installation in an airframe that had been designed for a radial engine, it was necessary to build a new streamlined cowling.

The cooling system consisted of a Morris single-row intercooler, with a three-row main radiator, and was packaged in a large ‘Mustang style’ ventral fairing with frontal scoop. The Griffon 125 turned out to have the smallest frontal surface, but when the CA-15 prototype was completed, the engine had not yet reached its serial production stage and Rolls-Royce decided to replace it by two copies of the weaker version Griffon 61. The two available engines arrived in Australia in April 1945.

The Griffon 61 (2,035 hp) was fitted with two-stage, two-speed supercharger and drove a Dowty-Rotol compressed wood, four-bladed propeller of 3.81 m diameter. Its installation in the CA-15 reduced the overall length from 11.51 m to 11.04 m. By February 1946 the prototype was completed, performing its first flight on March 4. It was used for a very limited test programme and gained one speed record achieving 808.2 kph flying over Melbourne on 25 May 1948.

The CA-15 would have ranked amongst the best fighters in the Pacific had the war been prolonged.

Superseded by the jet age, was scrapped in 1950.
 

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Excellent thread, glad to see them together. Jet engines certainly "robbed" us of many fantastic piston-engine fighters. But let's be honest, 800 km/h was merely a walk in the park even for the worst early jets. When it was a Ussain Bolt sprint for the best piston engine fighters.

I have to say it is a pity no RR Crecy fighter ever flew. That engine was a beast !
 
Justo -

Howdy !

Do you have any info on the Westland Wyvern prototype and W.34 powered by the
RR Eagle ?


With regards,
357Mag
Here
 

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Republic XP-47J technical data

Wingspan: 12.44 m (40 ft-10 inch), length: 10.10 m (33 ft-3 in), height: 4.31 m (14 ft-2 in), wing area: 27.87 sq. m. (300 sq. ft), max weight: 5,625 kg (12,400 lbs), max speed: 813 kph (505 mph), ceiling: 13,716 m (45,000 ft), range: 1,722 km (1,070 mls), armament: 6 x 0.50 in Browning heavy machine guns.
To be fair though, XP-47J recorded speed is likely due to faulty measure equipment
 
To be fair though, XP-47J recorded speed is likely due to faulty measure equipment
All -

A really great post, with lots of superb data and drawings included !

If I might offer a thought...

The pinnacle of US WWII + post- war propeller driven fighters lies not in programs that might have been, but in what has actually been accomplished.

Those U.S. planes that have set the World top speed record, were first refined and tailored for racing in " Unlimited Class " at places like Reno, NV.
The soundness of the P-51 and F8F basic designs has allowed them in racing trim, to each
exceed 500mph in level flight, with each design doing so successfully with 2 different motor designs ( Merlin and Griffon for the P-51-based racer.... P & W R-2800 and Wright
R-3350 for the Bearcat )...and sometimes also a propeller mod/change. Even for the Sea Fury design, its penultimate expression of speed capability was displayed by a racer propelled by a P & W R-4360 fitted with a 4-blade prop.

I have read comments from race team cognizantti saying that both " Vodoo " and " Rare Bear" would be capable of 540mph straight line level flight, for things like 5km or 15km record attempts. When Voodoo set the most-recent record, it did so with a wing that had been " re-profiled ". Rare Bear's team said at that time, that Voodoo's record would not go un-answered. The F8F utilized the same airfoil as the F6F, and one imagines what Rare Bear( or similar ) might add to the to speed record; were it also to make the attempt using a re-profiled wing ?

And, while not having exceeded 500mph, a Yak design outfitted with a race-tuned R-2800
has gone 480 'ish; which in itself is pretty heroic.

Regrettably, what might be accomplished by a Spitfire, Seafire, or Spiteful that is similarly massaged to the level of the 500mph + racers mentioned above...is something that has thus far been unrealized.

With regards,
357Mag
 
F-8F: NACA 23018 at the root
F-6F: NACA 23015,6

Bearcat 18% thickness Vs 15,6 for the Hellcat.
 
Slightly OT:

Earlier this year Wikipedia had an entry which claimed that a japanese in an 1980's interview stated that Ki-84N's with the Ha-44 engine had been tested to 721-724 kmh at 12880m in 1945. Now it's gone and the page is back to the more normally accepted; no Ki-84N/Ki-117 were completed.

My autistic side dislikes such ambiguity. Can anybody shoot the Ki-84N down for me (or even better, prove it flew).
 
Now the Wyvern is mentioned... I've never seen any performance data of any kind for the TF.2 (Clyde).
Even if it was shelved real fast one would expect there would have been some estimates?
 
Now the Wyvern is mentioned... I've never seen any performance data of any kind for the TF.2 (Clyde).
Even if it was shelved real fast one would expect there would have been some estimates?
Max speed in tests
 

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Slightly OT:

Earlier this year Wikipedia had an entry which claimed that a japanese in an 1980's interview stated that Ki-84N's with the Ha-44 engine had been tested to 721-724 kmh at 12880m in 1945. Now it's gone and the page is back to the more normally accepted; no Ki-84N/Ki-117 were completed.

My autistic side dislikes such ambiguity. Can anybody shoot the Ki-84N down for me (or even better, prove it flew).

PROJECT ONLY
- Designed in 1942 to address the shortcomings experienced in combat by the Ki.43 and Ki.44 fighters of the same firm, the Ki.84 was used with great success as an interceptor, fighter bomber and air superiority fighter, fitted with 13 mm bulletproof steel plate and self-sealing fuel tanks.

Powered by one 1,990 hp Ha-45-21 radial engine and armed with two 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns and two 20 mm Ho-5 cannons, the Ki.84 had almost the same range than the P-38L and was best at low altitude manoeuvring than any Allied fighter, also besting them at climb rate below 20,000 ft. The Ki.84 units were plagued by poor workmanship and experienced numerous maintenance problems, with engine and undercarriage failures that diminished its effectivity in the final years of the war. Most late-production Hayates could not achieve even 400 kph, when the standard level speed of the Ki.84 was rated at 620 kph.

On 4 November 1944, out of the eighty Ki-84 units sent to Lingayen only fourteen arrived. The rest suffered problems of engine, landing gear, hydraulic or fuel systems. The Ha-45 direct-injection Homare 21 engine entered prematurely into service without being fully tested, their injectors were not designed for the low-quality fuel Koku 87 Kihatsuyo of 87 octane and got frequently stuck. The oil temperature suffered serious variations during flight and the pressure at inverted flight was zero.

Like its predecessors Ki.43 and Ki.44, the Hayate was equipped with ‘butterfly flaps’ that could be deflected for combat by an angle of 15 degrees. The maximum lift coefficient of 1.70 allowed it to perform 360-degree turns in 17.05 seconds. Under good maintenance conditions, the Ki-84-I-Ko reached a maximum speed of 686 kph with a service ceiling of 11,830 m.

During the battle of Philippines, between 17 December 1944 and 8 January 1945, twelve Sentais equipped with Ki.84-I-Ko airplanes conducted escort missions of kamikaze groups, suffering heavy losses. The Sentais 12th, 52nd and 102nd used them as fighter bombers with Type 99, No. 25, Model I bomb of 248.7 kg suspended under the starboard wing and a 200 litres droppable fuel tank under the port wing. By mid-November 1944, the pilots of some of these aircraft started to perform individual Tokko attacks. On November 16, a group of sixteen Ki.84s and seven Ki.43s participated in a raid against Burauen airfield, destroying five B-29 bombers by using a combination of strafing and Ta-Dan bombs.

On 17 December, twelve Ki.84 of the 21st Hikodan escorted a group of suicide planes formed by three Ki.43-III of the Hakko Tai no.7 and a Ki.84-I-Ko of the Seika Tai off Mindoro. On 15 April, eleven Hayates of the 100th Sentai attacked US airfields in Okinawa destroying some planes on the ground. On 25 May, eleven Ki.84 of the 103rd Sentai attacked the Yontan airfield with strafing and Ta-Dan bombs.

Against the B-29, the Ki.84 did not have better luck than the Ki.44, achieving just a few successes with frontal attacks using Ho-155 cannons and Ta-Dan bombs. On 16 March 1945, during a raid against Kobe, the B-29s 42-65242 and 42-63546 were shot down by aircraft of the 246th Sentai piloted by Kenji Fujimoto and Yokio Ikute. On 13 and 14 April, another two bombers were shot down by Yoshio Yoshida of the 70th Sentai. During these battles, it was made patent that the best time to attack with Ta-Dan bombs was when the B-29s were launching their own bombs because they could not perform evasive actions during this operation. Finally, some pilots were forced to make Tai-Atari frontal attacks after exhausting their ammunition firing against the giant airplane, with no apparent result.

To improve the firepower of the Hayate, Nakajima incorporated two new variants in the production lines. The Ki.84-I-Otsu appeared in November 1944, with four 20 mm Ho-5 cannons and, early in 1945, the Ki.84-I-Hei with two Ho-5 and two mm Ho-155 cannons. But, as with the Shoki, the flying tests showed that the excessive weight of the armament degraded the rate of climb, to the point of not being able to reach the flight altitude of the B-29s in time to intercept them. The IJA had not yet received the high-altitude interceptor requested from the industry three years before.

The situation worsened on 1 November when a B-29 flew over Tokyo without being intercepted by the Ki.44. The next day the IJA ordered all air defence Sentais formed a Shinten Seiku Tai unit to be specialised in ramming attacks using Ki.43, Ki.44 and Ki.45 fighters, devoid of armament, to confront the American heavy bombers. After evaluating the first match between a Ki.48-I and a B-29 that occurred on 16 March, 1945, the firm Nakajima started an accelerated program to obtain a high-altitude version of the Hayate and the design team began working simultaneously on five projects: Ki.84 Sa Go, Ki.84-III, Ki.84N, Ki.84P and Ki.84R.

The Ki.84 Sa Go was a Ki.84-I-Ko airframe with a modified Ha-45 engine in which the Methanol-water injection system had been replaced by oxygen injection to improve high-altitude performance. The Ki.84-III would have the same airframe powered by one Ha-44-13 engine with Ru-302 mechanically driven supercharger. The Ha-44-13 generated 2,450 hp at take-off and was able to maintain 2,040 hp at 11,000 m. but was heavier than the Ha-45 and never become operational. The Ki.84.III was still on the drawing board in August 1945.

The building of the Ki.84R (Ki.84-IV) was started with new wings of 12,138 m span and 22.5 sq.m surface, but after a new calculation it was decided to expand them to 12,238 m and 23.5 sq.m. The tail surfaces were also enlarged by 10 per cent. The proposed engine was a Ha-45-44 (with Ru-303 exhaust-driven turbo-supercharger) driving a four-bladed propeller with 3.5 m in diameter, which made it necessary to lengthen the undercarriage legs. With the Ru-303 it was expected to obtain an engine power of 1,870 hp at 3,400 m, 1,640 hp at 6,000 m and 1,550 hp at 9,000 m. The prototype was 80 per cent complete in August 1945.

The Ki.84P was a project only version of the Ki.48R with 24.5 sqm wing area and one Ha-44-13 engine.

The Ki.84N would have used a 2,450 hp Ha-44-13 or a 2,530 hp Ha-44-14 engines with Ru-303 turbo-supercharger driving a four-bladed propeller with 3.6 m in diameter. The proposed armament was four 20 mm cannons. It would have had 12,3 m wingspan, 10,177 m length, 3.85 m height, 22,3 sq.m wing surface, 610 kph max speed, 5,296 kg maximum weight and 1.577 km range. On 4 June 1945 the Koku Hombu decided its mass production with the kitai number of Ki.117, project only.

By mid-1943, the effective blockade by the U.S. Navy Submarine Force began to strangle the Japanese economy and the aeronautical industry was particularly affected by increasing shortages of hig aviation fuel and light alloys. Prior to the US embargo, the IJA normally used 91 octane fuel, then the worse 87 octane fuel was introduced, to great detriment of aircraft performances and numerous engine maintenance issues.

Once the Allied Forces were established in the Philippines and in Okinawa, Japan was cut off from the oil fields of the Dutch East Indies. The last tanker reached Japan in March 1945. At the end of the war the quality of fuel went down to 85 octane, because the gas was mixed with oil extracted from pine tree roots. The scarce 95 octane fuel captured to the Allies was reserved for the use of some elite units, such as the IJA 21st Hikodan, whose Ki.84 fighters performed kamikaze escort missions, or the Shiden-Kai fighters of the IJN 343 Kokutai that protected strategic targets. In contrast, the Allies consumed between 40,000- and 70,000-tons of 100/150 Grade Aviation 44-1 fuel each month.

On 8 September, Nakajima, Tachikawa and Mansyu were instructed by the Koku Hombu i to use wood and steel as aluminium substitutes in the manufacture of Hayate.

Nakajima began building a version called Ki.84-II-Kai with wooden rear fuselage control rods and wingtips. The Hayate Kai (for Kaizen-improvement) entered in service in autumn 1944 powered by one Ha 45-21 or Ha-45-23 or Ha-45-25 engines

After studying the wreckage of a de Havilland Mosquito downed in Burma, Tachikawa Hikoki engineers designed the Ki.106, an all-wood version of the Ki.84 powered by one 2,000 hp Nakajima Ha-45-21 engine with 9.95 m length, 3.59 m height, 620 kph max speed and 800 km range. The Ki.106 weighed 430 kg more than the Ki.84-I-Ko, which had an adverse effect on manoeuvrability and climb rate. Late in 1944 three airframes were built for Tachikawa by Ohji Koku K.K. with two 20 mm cannons, vertical surfaces with increased area and plywood skin with a lacquer coating.

In the Ki.113 version, designed in the fall of 1944, Nakajima used steel in as many sub-assemblies as possible, but the project was left aside after the completion of the prototype early 1945. due to the excessive weight of the new airframe. Engine and dimensions as the in the standard Hayate.

The version proposed by Manshu Hikoki, called Ki.116, had enlarged tail surfaces and was powered by one 1,500 hp Ha-112-II Kinsei engine from a Ki.46-III, driving one three bladed airscrew. Only one prototype was built.

In July 1942, the IJA issued a requirement for a night fighter to defend Rabaul base against B-17 attacks. In August 1944, Nakajima modified a Ki.84-I-Ko by installing a single 20 mm Ho-5 cannon, with 300 rounds, at 45 degrees in Schräge Musik configuration behind the cockpit. The bulletproof steel plate of 13 mm was removed, and an aerodynamic cover tube was installed to protect the rear canopy from the blast and a cut out was made on the movable side so that it could slide backwards, about 60 per cent of opening the before remodelling. In October, the second prototype was built by modifying a Ki.84-I-Otsu and both aircraft performed test flights at Fusa airfield.

It is believed that at least 12 aircraft were converted to this configuration.

In some documents written by Major Iwamiya, Technical Director of IJA General Affairs Division, and Lieutenant Commander Noboru Kimura of the Technical Department of the IJA Headquarters, it was considered the possibility of installing a Taki-2 radar in the version of Ki.84-I-Tei production. According to other authors the ‘Tei’ variant would be armed with two Ho-5 cannons firing at 45 degrees and in the USAF Report 1946 its number was extended to three.
 

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Both at Republic and the air force?
XP-47J only recorded 505 mph top speed at 34,450 ft in Republic test on 4/8/1944 when it was flown by Mike Ritchie. However, they were never able to replicate that top speed a second time. So it quite likely that number is due to faulty equipment. The XP-47J was handed over to AAF and arrived at Wright Field, Ohio on 9/12/1944, and the AAF began their own test program, they were never able to reach 505 mph, the highest top speed they could have achieve is 484 mph at at 25,350 feet. Which put the XP-47J around the same place as XP-51G
 
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On March 1944 Supermarine initiated the design of the Type 391 (a 120 per cent homothetic enlarged version of the N5/45 Seafang), powered by one 3,500 hp Rolls-Royce Eagle II, twenty-four cylinder, horizontal H, liquid-cooled engine driving a six-bladed contra-rotating airscrew. On 20 June 1944, the project was submitted to the Royal Navy but was eventually dropped in favour of the Type 392 jet-powered fighter.



Type 391 technical data



Wingspan: 46.3 ft (13.3 m), length: 39.7 ft (12.10 m), height: 14.8 ft (4.54 m), wing area: 335 sq. ft (31.2 sq. m), maximum weight: 15,750 lbs (7,144 kg), estimated maximum speed: 546 mph (879 kph), range: 880 mls (1,415 km), armament: four wing-mounted 20 mm Hispano cannons.
I wonder how the He P.1076 could've fared as well.
Republic XP-47J technical data

Wingspan: 12.44 m (40 ft-10 inch), length: 10.10 m (33 ft-3 in), height: 4.31 m (14 ft-2 in), wing area: 27.87 sq. m. (300 sq. ft), max weight: 5,625 kg (12,400 lbs), max speed: 813 kph (505 mph), ceiling: 13,716 m (45,000 ft), range: 1,722 km (1,070 mls), armament: 6 x 0.50 in Browning heavy machine guns.
I wonder how a supersonic propeller could've worked. A quick Google search states that propellers lose efficiency by 480MPH/770KPH (though I would like to see a source for that that isn't Wikipedia, as Wikipedia doesn't credit a source and other websites that say this seem to have taken it from Wikipedia). Powerful engines and contra-rotating propellers can offset this, though at the consequence of being very loud, especially turboprops. For instance the Tu-95 can fly at over 900KPH. Engines simply being more powerful by themselves is how we get aircraft like the XP-47J.
Excellent thread, glad to see them together. Jet engines certainly "robbed" us of many fantastic piston-engine fighters. But let's be honest, 800 km/h was merely a walk in the park even for the worst early jets. When it was a Ussain Bolt sprint for the best piston engine fighters.

I have to say it is a pity no RR Crecy fighter ever flew. That engine was a beast !
The Sky Crawlers franchise gives us a good idea of what prop-fighters may have been like it the jet era was delayed. It's (sort of) like a Japanese version of the Sky Gamblers franchise.
 

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