New ‘Star Wars’ Trilogy in the Works From ‘X-Men’ Alum Simon Kinberg

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edwest4 said:
I am so very much not looking forward to any of this. To quote the doctor from the original Star Trek, "It's dead, Jim." And then there's Kathleen Kennedy...
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"What would be the main point of new SW trilogy?"
"Hm... maybe well-developed characters, intricated plot, stunning visual designs, deep research in fanbase lore?"
"..."
"Ahahah, got ya! Of course it would be flat Mary-Sue characters with an attitude of angsty emo teenagers, the linear plot about Big Bad trying to conquer Galaxy with enormous DEATH GALAXY SUPERWEAPON!!!, the visuals would be cobbled together by interns working for extra credit, and we ignore absolutely everything from fanbase! Who cares about a small bunch of nerds anyway?"
"Great idea! And when it would be almost ready, we CANCEL IT AND GRAB TAX CUT MONEY, muahaha!"
"Bro, you are reading my thoughts"
"That's the POWER OF FORCE with me. Hey, by the way, took a note - the Force must be with sparkles!"
 
Dilandu said:
"What would be the main point of new SW trilogy?"
"Hm... maybe well-developed characters, intricated plot, stunning visual designs, deep research in fanbase lore?"
"..."
"Ahahah, got ya! Of course it would be flat Mary-Sue characters with an attitude of angsty emo teenagers, the linear plot about Big Bad trying to conquer Galaxy with enormous DEATH GALAXY SUPERWEAPON!!!, the visuals would be cobbled together by interns working for extra credit, and we ignore absolutely everything from fanbase! Who cares about a small bunch of nerds anyway?"
"Great idea! And when it would be almost ready, we CANCEL IT AND GRAB TAX CUT MONEY, muahaha!"
"Bro, you are reading my thoughts"
"That's the POWER OF FORCE with me. Hey, by the way, took a note - the Force must be with sparkles!"
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Point of order, Luke was a whiny teenager in Eps 4 and 5.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Point of order, Luke was a whiny teenager in Eps 4 and 5.
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A point. But Luke actually WAS a teenager, he wasn't Mary-Sue (in Ep.4 he was barely able to use Force to predict launch point, in Ep.5 he was almost eaten by mindless predator & lost badly to Vader, and he actually trained HARD to get anything done), and geberally he was sympathetic and believable character with reasonable flaws.
 
I think there is a bit of rose tinted glasses / nostalgia going on for the original series... certainly the Luke/Rae comparison is strong. Arguments can be made that Luke is less believable or sympathetic - that certainly depends on perspective. But his equally Mary-Sue status is objectively pretty defensible.

IMHO, if the original series was planned today - it'd be rejected by a lot of people for reasons related to the culture wars. But nostalgia keeps us from seeing that.
 
They were nostalgia vehicles then as well. As most of you nerds know they are heavily inspired by great sci fi book and film/TV classics like Flash Gordon, Forbidden Planet, Dune, etc. The issues with the new Star Wars goes beyond culture war nonsense. They just aren't that good. They rate up there (down there) with the prequels ffs. Star Wars chronicles needs a rest. The series imo is either taken way too seriously or not taken seriously enough. It is used as nostalgia bait/cash grab or as a not-so-subtle tool for preaching inclusivitiy and "belonging". Even your average Joe and Jane are getting burnt out on all of it. I think it would be wise for Disney to hang it up and let it air out for a few years. If they cannot do this then I would suggest going the Clone Wars animated adventure route and make shows directed to young kids but with enough lore and interest to draw in adults. That is just my opinion.
 
TMA1 said:
I would suggest going the Clone Wars animated adventure route and make shows directed to young kids but with enough lore and interest to draw in adults. That is just my opinion.
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They tried. Their "Star Wars: Resistance" project was cancelled after two seasons.
 
Avimimus said:
I think there is a bit of rose tinted glasses / nostalgia going on for the original series... certainly the Luke/Rae comparison is strong. Arguments can be made that Luke is less believable or sympathetic - that certainly depends on perspective. But his equally Mary-Sue status is objectively pretty defensible.

IMHO, if the original series was planned today - it'd be rejected by a lot of people for reasons related to the culture wars. But nostalgia keeps us from seeing that.
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Good storytelling is good storytelling. >culture wars< is a made up attention-deficit disorder.

Rey was played with a lot of heart but the new crop of writers/directors include too many fan boys with no critical historical context. They think they can make things up from whole cloth as if the past never existed.
 
new Disney Star Wars Crap ?
YAWN...

... i care more on those upcoming events:
15 Nov Jake Paul execution by MIKE TYSON
18 Nov Starship IFT-6
 
edwest4 said:
Good storytelling is good storytelling. >culture wars< is a made up attention-deficit disorder.

Rey was played with a lot of heart but the new crop of writers/directors include too many fan boys with no critical historical context. They think they can make things up from whole cloth as if the past never existed.
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I agree. The actors gave it their all.

In addition to having three directors and not developing deep canon to replace the old legends canon - there is also the issue that they focus tested the films too much - tried to engineer a movie to please audiences instead of letting writers take risks... and the result was an incoherent rehash of tropes from the original movies...
 
Avimimus said:
I agree. The actors gave it their all.

In addition to having three directors and not developing deep canon to replace the old legends canon - there is also the issue that they focus tested the films too much - tried to engineer a movie to please audiences instead of letting writers take risks... and the result was an incoherent rehash of tropes from the original movies...
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"takes risks"? What risks would those be? The original Star Wars was not only a very good movie but a big risk at the time. Pre-screening of later Star Wars movies occurred. Audience reaction is still relevant. Movie-making and new TV shows still, like cakes, contain the same basic ingredients. Dressing up actors in period clothes and driving period cars is a given. In the case of movies like Star Wars, a massive amount of design work had to occur. I saw the first one on opening night. The Star Destroyers looked like gigantic navy destroyers. The Death Star was a huge surprise. And the light saber? We've never seen that before.
 
Roll on the crossovers. It'll get the nerds out of their mothers' basements for a bit of exercise. You know the perennial arguments over whether an Imperial Star Destroyer/Deathstar defeat the Enterprise ABCDEFG/Klingon D-7/a Jupiter-class Battlestar/a Mercury-class Battlestar/The Avengers/the other Avengers - John Steed and Mrs Peel/Beetlejuice/the Piranha Brothers/Justice League/Dr Who/Normandy/Yamato/The Daleks/Galactus/Wallace and Gromit/The Culture/The IRS/Marvin the Paranoid Android.

Who's more badass - Darth Vader or Judge Dredd? Palpatine or Voldemort?

Of course each and every instalment will be loudly judged Worst.Episode.Ever.

God, my acne's coming back...
 
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Rhinocrates said:
Roll on the crossovers. It'll get the nerds out of their mothers' basements for a bit of exercise. You know the perennial arguments over whether an Imperial Star Destroyer/Deathstar defeat the Enterprise ABCDEFG/Klingon D-7/a Jupiter-class Battlestar/a Mercury-class Battlestar/The Avengers/the other Avengers - John Steed and Mrs Peel/Beetlejuice/the Piranha Brothers/Justice League/Dr Who/Normandy/Yamato/The Daleks/Galactus/Wallace and Gromit/The Culture/The IRS/Marvin the Paranoid Android.

Who's more badass - Darth Vader or Judge Dredd? Palpatine or Voldemort?

Of course each and every instalment will be loudly judged Worst.Episode.Ever.

God, my acne's coming back...
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Your acne's coming back? Mine too.

You left off Mobile Suit Gundam.
 
edwest4 said:
Ahem...

playbill.com

A Musical About Star Wars Returns Off-Broadway Starting December 17

The musical comedy is playing a limited run at The American Theatre of Actors.
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Ah did not know such a thing existed - and probably because That Theatre is not the kind of corporate marketing behemoth Disney is, for instance, how many toy lines and audiovideo products have they produced from their productions compared to what the Disney corporation has produced from theirs?
 
edwest4 said:
"takes risks"? What risks would those be? The original Star Wars was not only a very good movie but a big risk at the time. Pre-screening of later Star Wars movies occurred. Audience reaction is still relevant. Movie-making and new TV shows still, like cakes, contain the same basic ingredients. Dressing up actors in period clothes and driving period cars is a given. In the case of movies like Star Wars, a massive amount of design work had to occur. I saw the first one on opening night. The Star Destroyers looked like gigantic navy destroyers. The Death Star was a huge surprise. And the light saber? We've never seen that before.
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That was my point. I'd say the important area to take risks in is the narrative, the writing.

Pre-screening is good, and editing based on pre-screening. But restricting the narrative based on focus groups isn't... it is too easy to get a regression to the mean.
 
Avimimus said:
That was my point. I'd say the important area to take risks in is the narrative, the writing.

Pre-screening is good, and editing based on pre-screening. But restricting the narrative based on focus groups isn't... it is too easy to get a regression to the mean.
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Or only listening to the loudest complainers that don't actually like the story to begin with.

Producer: "We have made a new X!"
One voice: "If you don't include Y, I won't buy it and I will tell all my friends to avoid it!"
Producer: "We have changed X to include Y."
Many voices: "Y does not work in X, we will not buy X and will tell all our friends to avoid it."
Producer: "Will you still buy X with Y in it?"
One voice: "I wasn't going to buy X anyways."
 
Scott Kenny said:
Or only listening to the loudest complainers that don't actually like the story to begin with.

Producer: "We have made a new X!"
One voice: "If you don't include Y, I won't buy it and I will tell all my friends to avoid it!"
Producer: "We have changed X to include Y."
Many voices: "Y does not work in X, we will not buy X and will tell all our friends to avoid it."
Producer: "Will you still buy X with Y in it?"
One voice: "I wasn't going to buy X anyways."
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That's not how it goes. Physical people need to be present for movie pre-screenings. Only a certain percentage are irrational fan boys. The studios know how to tell the difference.
 
edwest4 said:
That's not how it goes. Physical people need to be present for movie pre-screenings. Only a certain percentage are irrational fan boys. The studios know how to tell the difference.
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Based on what they've put out so far, I have to say that I doubt that.
 

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