Naval Drones

Shoes31 said:
Really hope China doesn't invade before say 2034 at the earliest then, we'll need at least that long to get those thousands of unmanned ships / surface drones. Unless we are counting remote mines are unmanned ships?
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I think the thousands figure is likely for smaller jet-ski/FIAC-sized stuff.
 
Shoes31 said:
Really hope China doesn't invade before say 2034 at the earliest then, we'll need at least that long to get those thousands of unmanned ships / surface drones. Unless we are counting remote mines are unmanned ships?
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He is not talking about full sized automated ships like MUSV/LUSV but small ISR/suicide craft like what Ukraine is employing against the Black Sea fleet.

Replicator's 'PRIME' time: DIU seeks small USV interceptors ready for rapid production - Breaking Defense

The DIU solicitation comes amid a raft of other Navy-led efforts to bring more unmanned surface vehicles into operations.
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Forest Green said:
I think the thousands figure is likely for smaller jet-ski/FIAC-sized stuff.
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Even talking about the smaller jet-ski / FIAC sized stuff I don't see the US having even a thousand by the end of this decade. This is US Navy procurement we are talking about here for starters, how long have they been trying to get the snakehead USV working? 10 years?

Even if they find a small interceptor they like, they still have to buy the first production samples, test the unit and figure out doctrine, and then build up the thousands. At the quoted rate of 120 or more annually it'd take almost 8 years to get even a single thousand, not the plural.

With request for information, then initial design work, final selection of vendors, then prototyping, and then production I'd be surprised if the US had more than 600-700 by the end of the decade. Which puts the thousands too late for a response to the most likely time of a Taiwan conflict. I'd really like if our leaders would stop with the rhetoric and talk realistic numbers and capabilities.
 
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A Ka-29 was defending against naval drones near Crimea when Russian air defence made another unfortunate mistake.

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Russian Navy Ka-29 Assault Helicopter Downed Amid Massive Ukrainian Drone Attack

The helicopter was shot down as Ukraine sent scores of drones to strike Crimea and Russia's Krasnodar region on targets ranging from oil facilities to an airfield.
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One influential Russian source claims the Helix was taken out by friendly fire, during a search for Ukrainian uncrewed surface vessels (USVs). Another said it came during a massive aerial and USV attack that killed nearly 30 Russian troops in occupied Crimea and Krasnodar.
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“In Anapa, our own air defense shot down our own helicopter,” the Thirteenth Telegram channel, run by Russian soldier and milblogger Egor Guzenko, wrote.
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During its sweep for Ukrainian drone boats in the Black Sea, “one of our [Pantsir air defense systems] hit the helicopter,” the Thirteenth wrote, adding that four Russian troops were killed in the incident.
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Preliminary information indicated it was “due to a malfunction of the ‘friend or foe’ system,” he suggested. “I will not voice any versions, let counterintelligence and the investigation sort it out. Eternal memory to our soldiers.”
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Scott Kenny said:
So what I'm seeing is that any ship transiting the Red Sea and Arabian Gulf is now fully justified in using deadly force to protect itself as soon as a small craft that isn't responding to radio or other warnings gets within 100y. Radio, laser dazzlers, then fire for effect.
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100 yards is uncomfortably close. That's like 6 seconds at 30 knot closing speed.
 
Scott Kenny said:
So what I'm seeing is that any ship transiting the Red Sea and Arabian Gulf is now fully justified in using deadly force to protect itself as soon as a small craft that isn't responding to radio or other warnings gets within 100y. Radio, laser dazzlers, then fire for effect.
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At 100 yards it would be more practical for the crew to start thinking about things ethernal.
 
TomS said:
100 yards is uncomfortably close. That's like 6 seconds at 30 knot closing speed.
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I know, but it's about minimum safe distance for an explosion that big.

Edit: Also, note that I'm talking about FIRING at 100y, the radio calls and laser dazzlers get used farther out.
 
SBU drones hit a Russian coast guard base on Lake Donuzlav in Crimea.

As a result of the combined attack, the following were hit and disabled: headquarters with a control point, ammunition and equipment depot, electrical substation, technical structures and firing positions.
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Крымский ветер

Дроны СБУ поразили российскую базу береговой охраны на озере Донузлав в Крыму. В результате комбинированной атаки поражены и выведены из строя: штаб с пунктом управления, склад боеприпасов и техники, электроподстанция, технические сооружения и огневые позиции.
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At night, drones of Security Service of Ukraine hit the Russian coast guard base on Lake Donuzlav in Crimea Crimea - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on live map - liveuamap.com

At night, drones of Security Service of Ukraine hit the Russian coast guard base on Lake Donuzlav in Crimea. Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site dedicated to factual reporting of a variety of important topics including conflicts, human...
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Explosives-Packed Jet Ski Drone Appears Off Turkish Coast

The adapted commercial jet ski bears many of the hallmarks of Ukraine’s growing fleet of kamikaze drone boats. The adapted commercial jet ski bears many of the hallmarks of Ukraine’s growing fleet of kamikaze drone boats.
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New Russian Navy 'Murena' Maritime Drone Shown With Possible Starlink - Naval News

Russian defense shows are known for the concept designs and models of boats and submarines which rarely get built. The current climate the market seems particularly challenging for them. Now Russian defense companies are emulating the Ukrainian and building uncrewed surface vessels. One new type...
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Russia deploys fake Kilo-class submarine in Sevastopol - Naval News

Using satellite imagery taken on August 14, 2024, OSINT observers detected a submarine decoy / model resembling a Kilo-class submarine.
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REPMUS 24 to Host Continued Testing of NATO ASW Barrier Concept - Naval News

The ‘REPMUS’ large-scale operational experimentation (OPEX) exercise will host again, in 2024, testing and development of NATO’s emerging ASW Barrier concept.
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‘REPMUS’ (Robotic Experimentation and Prototyping augmented by Maritime Unmanned Systems) is a Portuguese Navy (PN)-led, NATO co-hosted exercise – held each September off Troia, southern Portugal – focusing on maritime unmanned system (MUS) capability development. As NATO requirements to improve presence, mass, and capability at sea to offset Russian activity become more pressing, ‘REPMUS’ is stepping up from test and evaluation activity to OPEX-based development of MUS capabilities for integration into NATO task groups.
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NATO taps Exail for mine-clearing underwater drones

The Dutch and Belgian navies will be the primary users of the systems, the company announced in a statement.
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