Its easier to bloody research WW2 than it is to get viable info from this conflict - is the only statement I`m prepared to stand by.
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Apparently Russian MoD are now saying she sank under tow.
The scavenger tractors will be out in force soon......might even have been one of them that pulled her under.
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How easy do you think it was to research WW2 while it was happening? How long did it take to get public confirmation of the number of Japanese ships sunk at Coral Sea?
The wave function of the Moskva is stuck at both Afloat and Sunk; both Attacked and Mishap. These wave functions will collapse once it is observed.
Nope. Norwegian vessel from a few years ago.
Does Video Show Russian Warship Exploding?
As first noted by Bellingcat’s Eliot Higgins, this video was taken in 2013, and shows the KNM Trondheim, a Norwegian naval ship, being struck by a missile that was fired by the Norwegian Navy. According to Military.com, the recently decommissioned KNM Trondheim was used as target practice for Norway’s new 880-pound Naval Strike Missile:
I'm pretty sure the Japanese sailors livestreamed the battle. In the audio you can hear a bit of "tora tora tora" and a lot of "ara ara."
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Moskva has sunk.
www.bbc.com
Russian warship: Moskva sinks in Black Sea
The warship sank while being towed a day after Ukraine claimed to have hit it with a missile.
www.bbc.com
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IF those are real images, that's definitely a hull loss. Even if it didn't sink, I doubt its repairable or that the Russian economy could support its restoration.
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See post #47 above. Apparently it has now sunk.
Well, if Russian state media confirms it... then I begin to doubt the existence of the Moskva. I'm becoming iffy on the subject of "water" and "fire" now.
My grandmother fondly remembers the Doolittle Raid livestream.
Yes, both of her sister ships are active in the Med from the North and Pacific fleets. Ironically they might have issues finding a place outside Syria to refuel and as such might have some issues making the voyage home while sanctions are in place. They might need to be tanked one at a time for the trip.
If Moskva is anything to judge by, they might have issues not crumpling like a wet paper bag the next time some sailor decides to go smoking in the ammo magazine during a storm when Ukrainian farm boys are flying drones and launching rockets.
The Ukrainians could do worse than to contract with a blimp company to make a sizable lighter than air vehicle in the shape and color of a John Deere tractor, then simply stalk the ships in the Med. It'll drive the crew buggo.
Alternatively: what exactly is physically preventing them from transiting the Dardanelles? What, fear of breaking some rules?
Not exactly relevant but... ruh-roh:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjyk2vosUs
The USS The Sullivans is sinking.
The USS The Sullivans is sinking.
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The old one, not the new one.
Russian warship told to ‘go f--- yourself’ was f---ed by Ukraine, Pentagon confirms
Karma strikes.
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Posted, if not for anything else, but the title alone.
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Yeah, I had a moment when I first saw the headline. And since the video won't play here I figured I should make sure.
Local news coverage from Buffalo.
USS The Sullivans 'will rise again,' officials vow as water is pumped from ship
Officials don’t know how big of a problem it is, but say the worst of it is over. The U.S. Coast Guard estimated Thursday afternoon there were more than 3
Getting back to the subject of the thread... I have little doubt that a whole bunch of people saw a headline that read in their language "Moscow has been struck by missiles and is burning" and had... a moment.
well that aged well......
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LOL. True.
TBF though it sank, it was fine, it rolled over and sank, it was proceeding to Sevastopol under its own power, it had reached Sevastopol successfully, it was under tow and then it sank.
Kind of coin-toss there at the end.
Half expecting it to turn up off Odessa and start shelling Ukrainian positions.
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TBF though it sank, it was fine, it rolled over and sank, it was proceeding to Sevastopol under its own power, it had reached Sevastopol successfully, it was under tow and then it sank.
It burned down, fell over, THEN sank into the Black Sea. But don't worry: it has *huge* tracts of missiles.
*Shrug.* It's late. That's the best I could come up with.
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I feel that even in a decade we won't really know what happened during the whole war, but there will be gigabit dumps of tractor memes for historians to look at.
It may go down in history as War of the Memes (HG Wells missed a trick).
Sure WW2 was confusing at the time but news took time to get back from the front and was filtered by security constraints. Now we are used to 24-hour news and instant information retrieval. Now every smartphone-owning person can give you a live update, every person with internet access can post some random video from 5 years ago and claim it as a 'live' event, every person with image editing software can photoshop some dodgy image. Every event is grist for conspiracy rumour mill peddlers.
It was also 110 years to the day the Titanic sank too... *cue eerie music*
It may go down in history as War of the Memes (HG Wells missed a trick).
Sure WW2 was confusing at the time but news took time to get back from the front and was filtered by security constraints. Now we are used to 24-hour news and instant information retrieval. Now every smartphone-owning person can give you a live update, every person with internet access can post some random video from 5 years ago and claim it as a 'live' event, every person with image editing software can photoshop some dodgy image. Every event is grist for conspiracy rumour mill peddlers.
It was also 110 years to the day the Titanic sank too... *cue eerie music*
Firstly thats not even the comparison I was making, and secondly yes, I think if 83% of the planets population (one current estimate for 2022) had a device capable of recording and live streaming video and audio in 1940, it probably would have been pretty straightforward !
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BS.TBF though it sank, it was fine, it rolled over and sank, it was proceeding to Sevastopol under its own power, it had reached Sevastopol successfully, it was under tow and then it sank.
It burned down, fell over, THEN sank into the Black Sea. But don't worry: it has *huge* tracts of missiles.
*Shrug.* It's late. That's the best I could come up with.
It obviously died of natural cause.
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Half decent CNN article on this. I agree that it’s pretty pointless trying draw any lessons from this as regards the Taiwan and China situation being as all sides in that have across to far more capable weapons systems. I am guessing the Chinese deploy their most capable anti-ship systems in that area for a start.
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Moskva sinking: What really happened to the pride of Russia's fleet? | CNN
Ukraine said it hit the ship with a missile, Russia says it was a fire. Whatever happened, the biggest wartime loss of a naval ship in 40 years raises big questions not only for Moscow but for military planners as far afield as Taiwan.
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