Mirage F2 and F3
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What weapons was the F2 intended to carry had it entered service?
Same as the Mirage F1 A2G, really.
A2A: Magic 1 for self-defense (it was a ground attack aircraft, so probably no '530 SARH medium range AAM, that would be for the F3 and F1 only). Magic 2 in the early 80's, a far more reliable weapon.
-A2G: iron bombs, cluster bombs, Durandal runway-cratering weapon, AS-30 missiles (radio guided, later the laser variant) and AS-37 (ARM).
-Probably AN-52 tactical nukes, too, since OTL Mirage IIIE and Jaguars got them. Later ASMP, since the 2000N got it.
-Exocet was the Aéronavale business, although Dassault would probably integrate it for export (cough, Saddam Iraq).
-There might be a reconnaissance variant, to replace the IIIR - screwing the F1CR in the process.
- And another one with ECM big pods (Boa, Calmars) to dig large holes into the Warsaw Pact radar wall, ahead of the tactical and perhaps even strategic nuclear strike aircraft.
That bird would fill the niche of OTL Mirage IIIE, Jaguars, and later, Mirage F1CT, 2000D and 2000N. In fact it would bring Mirage 2000 D/N *turbofan* and *two-seats* probably 15 years in advance: 1973 instead of 1988.
One very interesting mission would be ECM / ARM. Mirage IIIE and Jaguars not only were single-seaters, but they also lacked thrust to safely carry that beast of missile: the AS-37 Martel. Their pilots did the job nonetheless, but it was no easy shore. The F2 massively powerful TF306 turbofan and two-men crew would be extremely welcome there.
A2A: Magic 1 for self-defense (it was a ground attack aircraft, so probably no '530 SARH medium range AAM, that would be for the F3 and F1 only). Magic 2 in the early 80's, a far more reliable weapon.
-A2G: iron bombs, cluster bombs, Durandal runway-cratering weapon, AS-30 missiles (radio guided, later the laser variant) and AS-37 (ARM).
-Probably AN-52 tactical nukes, too, since OTL Mirage IIIE and Jaguars got them. Later ASMP, since the 2000N got it.
-Exocet was the Aéronavale business, although Dassault would probably integrate it for export (cough, Saddam Iraq).
-There might be a reconnaissance variant, to replace the IIIR - screwing the F1CR in the process.
- And another one with ECM big pods (Boa, Calmars) to dig large holes into the Warsaw Pact radar wall, ahead of the tactical and perhaps even strategic nuclear strike aircraft.
That bird would fill the niche of OTL Mirage IIIE, Jaguars, and later, Mirage F1CT, 2000D and 2000N. In fact it would bring Mirage 2000 D/N *turbofan* and *two-seats* probably 15 years in advance: 1973 instead of 1988.
One very interesting mission would be ECM / ARM. Mirage IIIE and Jaguars not only were single-seaters, but they also lacked thrust to safely carry that beast of missile: the AS-37 Martel. Their pilots did the job nonetheless, but it was no easy shore. The F2 massively powerful TF306 turbofan and two-men crew would be extremely welcome there.
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Can't promise that the Mirage F2 will be seen, but check out the French TV Series "The Aeronauts" for contemporary, late1960's Mirage footage. It's also interesting to see the French Airforce from that period.
Found that pict some time ago, but can't remember where :
Looks in good shape.
Looks in good shape.
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Hi please check my post #6.
They wouldn’t let me take photograph when I was there.
I believe there might be another surviving unfinished F2 or F3 prototype, or at least one might have survived Into the early naughties.
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Beautiful in house model :
From this site :
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They sell models (I'm not affiliated with them).
From this site :
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Well, as I looked for it on the SPF forum, but I could not find it (I do not remember if it has already been shown on SPF), the layout model of the Mirage F3
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-Dassault, 50 ans d'aventure aéronautique 1945-1995, les programmes, Carlier-Berger, éditions du chêne, 1996, page 148 (clearer)
-Le Mirage F1 et les Mirage de seconde génération à voilure en flèche, issue 1, Liébert-Buyck, éditions Lela Presse, 2007, page 35 (darker)
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-Dassault, 50 ans d'aventure aéronautique 1945-1995, les programmes, Carlier-Berger, éditions du chêne, 1996, page 148 (clearer)
-Le Mirage F1 et les Mirage de seconde génération à voilure en flèche, issue 1, Liébert-Buyck, éditions Lela Presse, 2007, page 35 (darker)
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Most beautiful fighter.In the next issue of the French monthly magazine, Le Fana de l'aviation (from the free Facebook page of Le Fana) :
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine | Paris
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine, Paris. 19 629 J’aime · 483 en parlent · 2 personnes étaient ici. Le premier magazine sur l'histoire de l'aviation - récits, analyses. Tous les mois toute l’aviation !fr-fr.facebook.com
I had one of those!!!!
I can't remember if I asked this before (probably yes, but 2006 is a long time ago) but beside the mockup shown here, were there any F3 prototypes started and unfinished ? How far along did the 01 and 02 went ?
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15 years ago, Archibald gave us this 3 views drawing of the F3 :
Today, on a French forum, speaking of the issue of Le Fana, a forumer gives us the same drawing, less precise but more "straight"
Today, on a French forum, speaking of the issue of Le Fana, a forumer gives us the same drawing, less precise but more "straight"
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Ah yes, I remember ! I wrote to Dassault and they send me a giant paper blueprint, it still hangs to my former bedroom wall at my mom house.
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The Carlier-Berger book on Dassault indicates:
The Liébert-Buyck book on the Mirage F1 indicates:
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Hello,In the next issue of the French monthly magazine, Le Fana de l'aviation (from the free Facebook page of Le Fana) :
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine | Paris
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine, Paris. 19 629 J’aime · 483 en parlent · 2 personnes étaient ici. Le premier magazine sur l'histoire de l'aviation - récits, analyses. Tous les mois toute l’aviation !
I did the Mirage F2 3-views plan of this article in Le Fana, I give you here some high definition drawings (2 thumbnails and then the full version images I delivered to the magazine).
It was difficult for me to draw this plan because I had very few detailed photos. There is a MF2 in display at the CEAT in Toulouse but I did not have the authorization to go there and takes photos. The other difficulty were the numerous "variations" of this aircraft: sometimes they had some specific configurations, then they added other features, and so on and so forth. It was cumbersome to choose which configuration to display!
The chief editor asked me also to imagine the ASMODEE project, with an israeli version of the MF2. I had to draw the profile in camouflage version because it was obvioulsy sexier than an aluminum version. I tried to get inspiration from israelis Mirages IIIs, KFIR and F-16 schemes to obtain something a more realistic representation. I drew an imaginary squadron insignia, rather than taking an existing one. Finally, I modified some tiny details to reflect a production version that would differ a little bit from the prototype configuration.
Enjoy! Of course, should you have questions, comments, I stay available.
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Lovely work Alain!Hello,In the next issue of the French monthly magazine, Le Fana de l'aviation (from the free Facebook page of Le Fana) :
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine | Paris
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine, Paris. 19 629 J’aime · 483 en parlent · 2 personnes étaient ici. Le premier magazine sur l'histoire de l'aviation - récits, analyses. Tous les mois toute l’aviation !
I did the Mirage F2 3-views plan of this article in Le Fana, I give you here some high definition drawings (2 thumbnails and then the full version images I delivered to the magazine).
It was difficult for me to draw this plan because I had very few detailed photos. There is a MF2 in display at the CEAT in Toulouse but I did not have the authorization to go there and takes photos. The other difficulty were the numerous "variations" of this aircraft: sometimes they had some specific configurations, then they added other features, and so on and so forth. It was cumbersome to choose which configuration to display!
The chief editor asked me also to imagine the ASMODEE project, with an israeli version of the MF2. I had to draw the profile in camouflage version because it was obvioulsy sexier than an aluminum version. I tried to get inspiration from israelis Mirages IIIs, KFIR and F-16 schemes to obtain something a more realistic representation. I drew an imaginary squadron insignia, rather than taking an existing one. Finally, I modified some tiny details to reflect a production version that would differ a little bit from the prototype configuration.
Enjoy! Of course, should you have questions, comments, I stay available.
Regards
Alain
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I second that opinion. Ok the CEAT is a military org but nothing sensitive AFAIK. Plus the thing is visible on Google Earth while the Ailes anciennes / Aeroscopia are well aware it is there and even helping its preservation AFAIK (I e-mailed them a loooong time ago).
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Again outstanding.Hello,In the next issue of the French monthly magazine, Le Fana de l'aviation (from the free Facebook page of Le Fana) :
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine | Paris
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine, Paris. 19 629 J’aime · 483 en parlent · 2 personnes étaient ici. Le premier magazine sur l'histoire de l'aviation - récits, analyses. Tous les mois toute l’aviation !
I did the Mirage F2 3-views plan of this article in Le Fana, I give you here some high definition drawings (2 thumbnails and then the full version images I delivered to the magazine).
It was difficult for me to draw this plan because I had very few detailed photos. There is a MF2 in display at the CEAT in Toulouse but I did not have the authorization to go there and takes photos. The other difficulty were the numerous "variations" of this aircraft: sometimes they had some specific configurations, then they added other features, and so on and so forth. It was cumbersome to choose which configuration to display!
The chief editor asked me also to imagine the ASMODEE project, with an israeli version of the MF2. I had to draw the profile in camouflage version because it was obvioulsy sexier than an aluminum version. I tried to get inspiration from israelis Mirages IIIs, KFIR and F-16 schemes to obtain something a more realistic representation. I drew an imaginary squadron insignia, rather than taking an existing one. Finally, I modified some tiny details to reflect a production version that would differ a little bit from the prototype configuration.
Enjoy! Of course, should you have questions, comments, I stay available.
Regards
Alain
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The Mirage F2 and Mirage G were so outrageously similar... according to Libébert and Buyck, last flight of the F2 was on May 19, 1969 - after what it was stored in Istres before landing at its present CEAT location.
In fact they were so similar, sometimes I wonder if the F2 could have been "reconstructed" as a second Mirage G. Would have been useful in January 1971 when the -G crashed (and Jean Courau barely ejected from it).
In fact they were so similar, sometimes I wonder if the F2 could have been "reconstructed" as a second Mirage G. Would have been useful in January 1971 when the -G crashed (and Jean Courau barely ejected from it).
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They look amazing! Beautiful work!Hello,In the next issue of the French monthly magazine, Le Fana de l'aviation (from the free Facebook page of Le Fana) :
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine | Paris
Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine, Paris. 19 629 J’aime · 483 en parlent · 2 personnes étaient ici. Le premier magazine sur l'histoire de l'aviation - récits, analyses. Tous les mois toute l’aviation !
I did the Mirage F2 3-views plan of this article in Le Fana, I give you here some high definition drawings (2 thumbnails and then the full version images I delivered to the magazine).
It was difficult for me to draw this plan because I had very few detailed photos. There is a MF2 in display at the CEAT in Toulouse but I did not have the authorization to go there and takes photos. The other difficulty were the numerous "variations" of this aircraft: sometimes they had some specific configurations, then they added other features, and so on and so forth. It was cumbersome to choose which configuration to display!
The chief editor asked me also to imagine the ASMODEE project, with an israeli version of the MF2. I had to draw the profile in camouflage version because it was obvioulsy sexier than an aluminum version. I tried to get inspiration from israelis Mirages IIIs, KFIR and F-16 schemes to obtain something a more realistic representation. I drew an imaginary squadron insignia, rather than taking an existing one. Finally, I modified some tiny details to reflect a production version that would differ a little bit from the prototype configuration.
Enjoy! Of course, should you have questions, comments, I stay available.
Regards
Alain
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The original source of this picture is from the French aviation magazine "Le Fana de l’Aviation".
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