We aren't sure when exactly Martian manned missions would starts, and anyway I suspect that Mars orbital station would be quite useful anyway. It's MUCH easier and cheaper to send humans to Low Martian Orbit than on Mars surface; a
nope, actually easier to go straight to the surface when that is end point. And safer. No need to add a node.

orbiting Martian station would allow real-time control of Mars probes and rovers, making the automatic missions much more efficient.

P.S. Actually, it may be quite a good idea to launch a server station with pathfinding AI running to control Martian rovers in real time. Current way of controlling rovers from Earth - with very long signal transmission and even longer path analysis - is highly inefficient. If we give rover controls to AI station on Martian orbit (with a set of relay sattelites around Mars), we could simplify the situation by just sending AI the generic orders "move the rover ten miles west to the A7543/b crater", leaving the pathfinding to AI.
no, it doesn't do anything for probes and better to put the AI on the rovers
 
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No more free money for stupid projects and endless missions that go through Venus to Saturn, adding several years to the budget.

Welcome to reality.
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with a robotic laboratory vs robotically returning samples?
 
The difference is in the opinion of the taxpayers, science without parasites.
What does that mean? That sentence structure indicates two different topics: opinion of the taxpayers of what I don't and science without parasites.
And what parasites?
What are you trying to convey?
 
Too much money is being spent on answering a philosophical question and as long as there are billions of dollars in budgets, scientists will continue to look for those damn bacteria under the rocks: "they must be nearby, we just need one billion more and another fifty years". In the meantime, we continue to use propulsion systems developed by the Nazis. Mars is full of holes, tomorrow something like the one that fell in Hellas could reach us... And only the Martian bacteria would be left to start over. We need a new nuclear-powered electromagnetic propulsion system that is powerful enough to deflect an asteroid or shorten the flight time of exploration probes.

How long are they going to keep throwing money at poorly planned parasite projects? this looks like the war in Afghanistan and will possibly end the same.

P-A-R-A-S-I-T-E-S
 

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I’d rather had that as the Iraq War.
wrong trade off and that is why you are not in charge. If there was no Iran war, NASA still would not get that money. There are no trades like that, even in Alt-history. Just like F-35 money would not go to NASA.

And it would be better to flush the 30 billion than use it on the Boeing proposal. That would set back NASA.
 
wrong trade off and that is why you are not in charge. If there was no Iran war, NASA still would not get that money. There are no trades like that, even in Alt-history. Just like F-35 money would not go to NASA.

And it would be better to flush the 30 billion than use it on the Boeing proposal. That would set back NASA.


Those in charge now say that a dollar that doesn't serve to make America bigger, richer, or safer won't be spent.

No more nonsense about superstrings, dark energy and dark matter that are nothing more than theories invented to fit other even more stupid theories and the whole set of nonsense cannot be considered science because it cannot be verified experimentally.

No more fusion experiments that have achieved nothing in 79 years and if the Higgs Boson does not serve to cure diseases, or to protect astronauts from cosmic rays, or to propel spaceships, or to generate energy, or to detect terrorists, or to lower taxes... it will be better to return it to Higgs to keep it in a drawer.
 
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I doubt it pretty seriously. The energy - and cooling - requirements of running AI-grade high-efficiency processor are significant. Space-based solar array could handle it. Radioisotopic generator? Doubt that.
it is only AI for driving. Other than imagery, there is little other data available to process.
 
Those in charge now say that a dollar that doesn't serve to make America bigger, richer, or safer won't be spent.

No more nonsense about superstrings, dark energy and dark matter that are nothing more than theories invented to fit other even more stupid theories and the whole set of nonsense cannot be considered science because it cannot be verified experimentally.

No more fusion experiments that have achieved nothing in 79 years and if the Higgs Boson does not serve to cure diseases, or to protect astronauts from cosmic rays, or to propel spaceships, or to generate energy, or to detect terrorists, or to lower taxes... it will be better to return it to Higgs to keep it in a drawer.
so you don't believe pure science research
 
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