Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)

Forest Green said:
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No surprise really since the F-35A dominated F-15SG during air combat exercise.
 
DWG said:
The Singaporean F-35B order also started off as a purchase of 8, so I'd imagine there's likely an option in that contract for another four.
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They started of with 4x F-35B, then take up the option for another 8x F-35B, and now another 8x F-35A .....

With a defence budget of USD11.5 billion, will take a multi-year budget to pay up for these 20 jets .....
 
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Very interested in how they will utilize both the A and Bs, such as which base? which roles?

I understand Singapore is interested in building LHDs. Not sure if they are intended for F-35B operations. From images, they look quite small.
 
I think Singapore's concern is that it has one military airfield and one civilian airport (admittedly quite large) inside its borders. So STOVL has advantages from a land basing point of view for them.
 
Josh_TN said:
I think Singapore's concern is that it has one military airfield and one civilian airport (admittedly quite large) inside its borders. So STOVL has advantages from a land basing point of view for them.
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Ah, the old NBMR3 that lead to Harrier...


DWG said:
Reminds me of the legends of riveted ships with an apprentice or two accidentally sealed away.
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I don't believe that they'd have voids without any access.
 
There are more than one military air bases and more than one civilian airports ..... besides the Singaporeans do demonstrate taking off and landing on its highway every few years ..... Check out Ex Torrent .....

Fact Sheet: RSAF Exercise Torrent 2016

The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) will be conducting Exercise Torrent, also known as the Alternate Runway Exercise, from 10 to 14 November 2016. This is the seventh Exercise Torrent. The first exercise was conducted on 17 Apr 1986 with the participation of the A-4 and F-5 fighter...
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RSAF Exercise Torrent 2016

Editor’s note: The MAphotoSG group would like to thank the RSAF’s New Media and Public Relations Branch, especially Malcolm Koh, for the invitation and arrangements to cover the preparation and conducting of Exercise Torrent VII. Over the period of 10-13 November 2016, the Republic of Singapore...
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zjz said:
There are more than one military air bases and more than one civilian airports ..... besides the Singaporeans do demonstrate taking off and landing on its highway every few years ..... Check out Ex Torrent .....

Fact Sheet: RSAF Exercise Torrent 2016

The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) will be conducting Exercise Torrent, also known as the Alternate Runway Exercise, from 10 to 14 November 2016. This is the seventh Exercise Torrent. The first exercise was conducted on 17 Apr 1986 with the participation of the A-4 and F-5 fighter...
www.mindef.gov.sg

RSAF Exercise Torrent 2016

Editor’s note: The MAphotoSG group would like to thank the RSAF’s New Media and Public Relations Branch, especially Malcolm Koh, for the invitation and arrangements to cover the preparation and conducting of Exercise Torrent VII. Over the period of 10-13 November 2016, the Republic of Singapore...
www.maphotosg.com
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I'll take your word for it. A quick google map look made it looks like it was only two locations; I've only spent 36 hours there myself.
 
Taylor Swift proves that Singapore has another airport other than the one at Changi ......

Taylor Swift lands in Singapore for her 6 sold-out Eras Tour concerts

SINGAPORE: Taylor Swift arrived on Tuesday (Feb 27) for the sold-out Singapore leg of her Eras Tour. Swift arrived on chartered flight VJT993 from Sydney, Australia. The jet, a Bombardier Global 6000, touched down at Seletar Airport at about 5.05pm. Swift was shielded by umbrellas as she go
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(via wiki) Singapore has Changi East, Changi West, and Changi Airport sharing three runways, plus Paya Lebar, Seletar and Sembawang

But they're all squished into a small area, so if one can be brought under fire, likely so can all the others, making the F-35B's ability to be runway independent potentially useful.
 
FighterJock said:
I will be surprised if Singapore does not order more F--35Bs over the F-35As since the B as you say DWG can be operated without the use of runways.
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I'm kinda surprised that Singapore didn't order F35Cs instead of the -As, the extra wing area to take off and land in less distance...
 
It could be done I suppose by either developing a longer nose section or developed from the -B by having a second seat in place of the lift-fan.
 
Josh_TN said:
The Cs have a much shorter runway requirement but they also are the heaviest version and the slowest acceleration.
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To use Cs capabilities they will have to train yet another set of pilots from scratch, though.
 
Ainen said:
To use Cs capabilities they will have to train yet another set of pilots from scratch, though.
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Not really, they're not operating them on carriers, or using catapults/arresting gear on land.

Just a bigger wing and new NLG, I think.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Not really, they're not operating them on carriers, or using catapults/arresting gear on land.

Just a bigger wing and new NLG, I think.
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I meant this:
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If we want to use STOL qualities of C, it requires different basics. Like, if you overpay for all that reinforced structure - may as well use it...or just buy more A, range difference is negligible.
 
The extra wing fold area on the F-35C does not contain any fuel (correct me if I am wrong) so range wise it is exactly the same as the F-35A as you rightly say Ainen. I would rather Singapore buy more F-35A and B models rather than the C for obvious reasons.
 
FighterJock said:
The extra wing fold area on the F-35C does not contain any fuel (correct me if I am wrong) so range wise it is exactly the same as the F-35A as you rightly say Ainen. I would rather Singapore buy more F-35A and B models rather than the C for obvious reasons.
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Range is similar. C has more fuel but more drag. Shorter takeoffs and landings would be the only advantage, at the expense of acceleration.
 
So there is very little in the difference between the A and C models range wise, I am surprised at the extra drag but I suppose that is the consequence of the extra enginering required to handle the stress of carrier take off's and landings.
 
FighterJock said:
So there is very little in the difference between the A and C models range wise, I am surprised at the extra drag but I suppose that is the consequence of the extra enginering required to handle the stress of carrier take off's and landings.
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More drag but also more lift due to larger wing area. It balances out in the end.
 
FighterJock said:
So there is very little in the difference between the A and C models range wise, I am surprised at the extra drag but I suppose that is the consequence of the extra enginering required to handle the stress of carrier take off's and landings.
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Drag come from bigger control surfaces. There is also extra weight from the reinforced structure, even more than the lift fan from what I recall.
 
Josh_TN said:
Range is similar. C has more fuel but more drag. Shorter takeoffs and landings would be the only advantage, at the expense of acceleration.
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The range is not similar. The C has a substantially higher range than the A when flying the same profile. It can fly at higher altitudes and lower speeds thanks to its big wing. The published range figures are for the C flying a carrier profile and the A flying a land based profile, hence why they are similar.
 
DWG said:
(via wiki) Singapore has Changi East, Changi West, and Changi Airport sharing three runways, plus Paya Lebar, Seletar and Sembawang

But they're all squished into a small area, so if one can be brought under fire, likely so can all the others, making the F-35B's ability to be runway independent potentially useful.
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It's missing Tengah airbase. Seletar is a regional airport that mainly services small passenger planes/private flights. Paya Lebar is where the F-15s are, Tengah is F-16.
 
njiiaf said:
The range is not similar. The C has a substantially higher range than the A when flying the same profile. It can fly at higher altitudes and lower speeds thanks to its big wing. The published range figures are for the C flying a carrier profile and the A flying a land based profile, hence why they are similar.
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I’ll take your word for it; I am just using published figures.
 
paralay said:
Your link is not available to me
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It is a .mil link, that's probably why. Here is the relevant screenshot. As I said, the C's profile involves loitering for the carrier landing pattern which takes up some range. I will also make note of the comments by several F-35 pilots, most notably Billie Flynn on the Afternburn Podcast, that " the A was really meant to have the C's wings". This indicates that there is a tangible range benefit to the C's wings that outweigh extra drag and weight.
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Ainen said:
I meant this:
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KLAOPg6AxFM


If we want to use STOL qualities of C, it requires different basics. Like, if you overpay for all that reinforced structure - may as well use it...or just buy more A, range difference is negligible.
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I don't know that there's a whole lot of reinforced structure unique to the -C model. Only parts I'm positive are different are the larger wings and catapult bar twin wheel nose landing gear. The mains may well be unique to the -C as well, but I haven't seen anything that says so.

Also, every short landing looks like the typical Navy landing. Full flaps, high sink rate, plant the main gear on the numbers and have the speedbrakes pop as soon as there is weight on the wheels.
 
I used to think that the heaviest F-35 was the B model due to the fact of the lift fan but now I know that it is the C model due to the bulkheads.
 


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