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That would make sense, commonality tends to drive many updates. I wonder how long it will take to delete this post seeing as I am not an aviation weapons tech, must be irrelevant.
I should hope so, or they are wasting money on a missile for barely 200 f15sTraveling for Easter and on a cell phone but I’ll look it up when I get home. My understanding was that AIM-260 is limited to AIM-120 dimensions to be compatible with internal carriage and launchers in the F-22/35 fleets.Where did you see that?Aim-260 is supposed to have the same form factor as AIM-120.
The US has over 400 Eagles as well as MANY F-16s, F/A-18s. And both the F-22 and F-35 can carry weapons externally.I should hope so, or they are wasting money on a missile for barely 200 f15sTraveling for Easter and on a cell phone but I’ll look it up when I get home. My understanding was that AIM-260 is limited to AIM-120 dimensions to be compatible with internal carriage and launchers in the F-22/35 fleets.Where did you see that?Aim-260 is supposed to have the same form factor as AIM-120.
I take this to mean it can use existing bays and launchers in F-22/35, however the exact shape and dimensions may differ. In particular most open sources theorize it will be wider than AIM-120 to carry more fuel. Presumably a clipped fin arrangement will be retained.
I wonder if the requirement is driven by internal or external characteristics. If the latter I wonder if we'd ever see it carried externally.Hard to imagine that SLAMRAAM-ER would be so sensitive as to require separate storage bunkers. I think there has to be something interesting about the shape or configuration.
I wonder if SLAMRAAM-ER is "AIM-260"
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I'd still prefer a 2nd-stage:
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I wonder if the requirement is driven by internal or external characteristics. If the latter I wonder if we'd ever see it carried externally.Hard to imagine that SLAMRAAM-ER would be so sensitive as to require separate storage bunkers. I think there has to be something interesting about the shape or configuration.
I wonder if the requirement is driven by internal or external characteristics. If the latter I wonder if we'd ever see it carried externally.Hard to imagine that SLAMRAAM-ER would be so sensitive as to require separate storage bunkers. I think there has to be something interesting about the shape or configuration.
I wonder if it is an issue of security or if storage of the new missile actually has new physical safety requirements.
Because of the classified nature of this program, AIM 260A JATM assets cannot be housed in shared facilities with legacy munitions; and must be supported by a facility designed to meet specific operational requirements, and the stricter Special Access Program Facility security requirements.
This would seem to indicate we won't see them carried externally.So, it's a SAP, and that suggests the issue is security-, not safety-, related. It seems to be sight-sensitive, implying the shape or appearance alone would reveal something important.
Given the horse is not only out of the barn but through the glue factory, I don't know what good it's going to do now. Better than nothing I suppose. Now if we can get contractors to do the same.I am so not used to the USAF being secretive again...
F-22 Being Used To Test Next Generation Air Dominance 'Fighter' Tech
The F-22 is being used to test Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) capabilities and Raptors will also receive tech from the NGAD program.www.thedrive.com
Some interesting developments for the Raptor. Including a new external tank design that will seemingly enable full LO signature once punched off. Apparently the current tank + pylons are somewhat compromised in this regard.
Hmm Wonder if you can use that for missiles as well.F-22 Being Used To Test Next Generation Air Dominance 'Fighter' Tech
The F-22 is being used to test Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) capabilities and Raptors will also receive tech from the NGAD program.www.thedrive.com
Some interesting developments for the Raptor. Including a new external tank design that will seemingly enable full LO signature once punched off. Apparently the current tank + pylons are somewhat compromised in this regard.
Wouldn't "Baby Raptor" refers to a smaller flying article? (I am thinking at that patch with a raptor imprint inside a similar shape, inside an other vehicle ). Wouldn't it be logical to imagine a Baby Raptor squadron backed by a Raptor one, just like A-7 did with the F-117? Wouldn't that explain the sudden phasing-out of the 33?
Wouldn't "Baby Raptor" refers to a smaller flying article? (I am thinking at that patch with a raptor imprint inside a similar shape, inside an other vehicle ). Wouldn't it be logical to imagine a Baby Raptor squadron backed by a Raptor one, just like A-7 did with the F-117? Wouldn't that explain the sudden phasing-out of the 33?
It's more likely just someone talking about the evolution of the Raptor from its early days (Baby Raptor) to the current state.
It is also the single weirdest paragraph I've ever read in a finished budget document, ever. It was clearly written with the expectation that someone else in the process would edit it back out. I mean, I've included snide remarks and in-jokes in some of my own draft products too, just to see if the reviewers are really reading what I write. But I always make a note to go back and out of no one else flags them first.
The strike eagle pilots barely train for A2A and the remaining eagles aren't fit for the boneyard. There's about 170 eagles that actually train for A2A. What's the point of developing a missile for 170 Eagles whose lifespan is one incident at like the longeron issue from permanent grounding... What's the point of hanging missiles on stealth aircraft. The 16 is not suited for anything bigger than amraam without penalties on fight performance and range. there's no point in developing a missile that to use it you have to give to negate the billions and billions spent to field stealth and the billions yet to be spent by the usaf and Navy. They're not going to develop a amraam successor that negates the weapons bays of 2000 f35s yet to be built. Hell they're still improving on the 22s LO and they're doing that to hang missiles under the wings to ruin its stealth, speed and range? i don't buy it. I would imagine that 260 will have a dual mode seeker and will eliminate the warhead and be hit to kill with thrust vectoring in the final moments before impact and have all the same mounting footprint and hardware as amraam to make the transition as cheap as possibleThe US has over 400 Eagles as well as MANY F-16s, F/A-18s. And both the F-22 and F-35 can carry weapons externally.I should hope so, or they are wasting money on a missile for barely 200 f15sTraveling for Easter and on a cell phone but I’ll look it up when I get home. My understanding was that AIM-260 is limited to AIM-120 dimensions to be compatible with internal carriage and launchers in the F-22/35 fleets.there'Where did you see that?Aim-260 is supposed to have the same form factor as AIM-120.
The strike eagle pilots barely train for A2A and the remaining eagles aren't fit for the boneyard.
There's about 170 eagles that actually train for A2A. What's the point of developing a missile for 170 Eagles whose lifespan is one incident at like the longeron issue from permanent grounding.
What's the point of hanging missiles on stealth aircraft.
The 16 is not suited for anything bigger than amraam without penalties on fight performance and range.
there's no point in developing a missile that to use it you have to give to negate the billions and billions spent to field stealth and the billions yet to be spent by the usaf and Navy.
They're not going to develop a amraam successor that negates the weapons bays of 2000 f35s yet to be built.
Hell they're still improving on the 22s LO and they're doing that to hang missiles under the wings to ruin its stealth, speed and range? i don't buy it.
"AMRAAM-ER is about 16in (40.6cm) longer than the 12ft (3.7m) conventional AMRAAM, Steve Dickman, Raytheon’s senior director for air dominance, said on 19 May."Folks, do keep in mind that the Extended Range AMRAAM (AMRAAM + ESSM) is claimed to fit inside the F-35A's weapons bays. If they can have an AL version of the AMRAAM ER then it also becomes an option on the 80 F-15EX's the USAF plans to field and will fit well into their concept of operations, making them quite useful beyond the homeland defense role.
AIM-260 is the successor to the AIM-120 and as such will first find its way into the bay of the F-22. It will likely share similar dimensions to the AMRAAM but just have better kinematics, and resistance to counter measures (and likely improved LO target performance)
Raytheon looks at integrating AMRAAM-ER in F-35A internal carriage
The US Air Force's F-35A could field two examples of the larger missile, one in each internal weapons bay.www.flightglobal.com
"AMRAAM-ER is about 16in (40.6cm) longer than the 12ft (3.7m) conventional AMRAAM, Steve Dickman, Raytheon’s senior director for air dominance, said on 19 May."Folks, do keep in mind that the Extended Range AMRAAM (AMRAAM + ESSM) is claimed to fit inside the F-35A's weapons bays. If they can have an AL version of the AMRAAM ER then it also becomes an option on the 80 F-15EX's the USAF plans to field and will fit well into their concept of operations, making them quite useful beyond the homeland defense role.
AIM-260 is the successor to the AIM-120 and as such will first find its way into the bay of the F-22. It will likely share similar dimensions to the AMRAAM but just have better kinematics, and resistance to counter measures (and likely improved LO target performance)
Raytheon looks at integrating AMRAAM-ER in F-35A internal carriage
The US Air Force's F-35A could field two examples of the larger missile, one in each internal weapons bay.www.flightglobal.com
Interesting. I'd have though they'd have done like ESSM and kept the same length.
LREW is a research/demonstration effort then?There are no other known A2A programs that are slated to enter production besides the JATM. Rest are all S&T or concept development efforts whereas JATM is a full fledged program which will eventually replace the AMRAAM in terms of AF and Navy annual acquisition by the early 2030s .
LREW is a research/demonstration effort then?
Looks like the USAF is actively pursuing sensor pods and low observable external fuel tanks. That said, I’m a bit disappointed if they’re not pursuing an internal sensor fairing.
F-22 Being Used To Test Next Generation Air Dominance 'Fighter' Tech
The F-22 is being used to test Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) capabilities and Raptors will also receive tech from the NGAD program.www.thedrive.com
Some interesting developments for the Raptor. Including a new external tank design that will seemingly enable full LO signature once punched off. Apparently the current tank + pylons are somewhat compromised in this regard.
The low drag tank and pylon have been in development for a long time, and (off the top of my head) began flight tests in 2017.
Looks like the USAF is actively pursuing sensor pods and low observable external fuel tanks. That said, I’m a bit disappointed if they’re not pursuing an internal sensor fairing.
Fuel, so far as has been mentioned to date. I don't think the F-22 wants for weapon load; I doubt the USAF is interested in pods for such.Looks like the USAF is actively pursuing sensor pods and low observable external fuel tanks. That said, I’m a bit disappointed if they’re not pursuing an internal sensor fairing.
Fuel tanks or weapon pods?