Kyushu J7W1 Shinden/J7W2 Shinden-kai

[blackkite]

And tail section.

 

[blackkite]

And some mockup pictures. Enjoy.
Source : Aviation Journal, AJ Cyclone, Challenge to the sky(New edition).1976.

 

[Johnbr]

Great stuff.

 

[T-50]

Hi Blackkite san this is marvelous stuff!!! original and rare pics! ive never seen the photos of the mockup cockpit of the shinden!
thaks for sharing these photos with us!

 

[blackkite]

Hi Johnbr san and T-50 san!
I am very happy to know that you really enjoy my post.

 

[Stargazer]

blackkite, do you confirm that these drawings are for the Shinden-kai?

 

[blackkite]

blackkite, do you confirm that these drawings are for the Shinden-kai?

Hi! These drawings are for Shinden.
Please watch the picture of the IJN(Kugisho)'s technical Lieutenant Masayoshi Tsuruno(鶴野正敬). Shinden was born from his idea.
He graduated the department of aeronautical engineering of Tokyo imperial university(東京帝国大学　航空工学科).

 

[Basil]

Blackkite, these are really great documents. Thanks.

 

[blackkite]

Blackkite, these are really great documents. Thanks.

You are welcome Basil!

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Enjoy.
B-29's bombing to the Mitsubishi(三菱) Nagoya(名古屋) engine factory was timely and effective for delay of Shinden prototype completion.
Also Shinden No.1 prototype had engine trouble at the end of the war. Kyushu contacted Mitsubishi to solve this trouble for full power flight test.
Senden development failure was fatal for B-29 interception.

 

[Taranov]

Kyushu MYX6 glider

 

[blackkite]

In September 1945, Kugisho reported to the U.S. that Otsu fighter(interceptor) which under development was Shinden.
Experimetal Shinden No.1 and 2's engine was Mitsubishi HA-43-42 vulkan coupling drive engine.
No.3's engine was HA-43-43 which had 130hp larger power than HA-43-42 in take off.
No.4 and 5's propeller had a 4 blade.(Diamter 3.5m or 3.6m)
No.8's engine was HA-43-44 which had single stage 3 speed mechanical supercharger instead of vulkan coupling drive supercharger.
Shinden production model's engine was HA-43-44 engine, too.
Source : Maru magazine, 1/8/2012

 

[roadrunner2]

Were can I find this plan to complete "riveting" on my Zoukei Mura 1/32 kit ?

 

[blackkite]

Hmmmm.....
This? Zokeimura concept note SWS(No.1 Shinden)
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E9%80%A0%E5%BD%A2%E6%9D%91%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BB%E3%83%97%E3%83%88%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88SWS-No-I-%E9%9C%87%E9%9B%BB-%E9%80%A0%E5%BD%A2%E6%9D%91-%E3%82%B9%E3%82%B1%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E4%BC%81%E7%94%BB%E5%AE%A4/dp/4903596052/ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://www.zoukeimura.co.jp/en/products/sws01_shinden_cl.html

 

[roadrunner2]

I have the Concept note about the Shinden, but no rivets line on the plan.

 

[blackkite]

Hmmm....
I have "WWⅡ FIGHTERS,DESIGN WITH PRECISION drawing by Matsuba Minoru" which include Shinden.
But not so detailed. I give up.

 

[blackkite]

How about this one?
ISBN4-575-47587-4
http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ISBN4-575-47587-4

 

[roadrunner2]

Not realistic.
I find the famous WWⅡ FIGHTERS,DESIGN WITH PRECISION by Matsuba Minoru on Ebay, I think I buy it.....

 

[blackkite]

Not realistic.
I find the famous WWⅡ FIGHTERS,DESIGN WITH PRECISION by Matsuba Minoru on Ebay, I think I buy it.....

Why you think it's not realistic?
This image is a book cover of WW2 FIGHTERS,DESIGN WITH PRECISION drawing by Matsuba Minoru which include Shinden 3 side view.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Going slightly off-topic for a moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTQvgzgfXPA

 

[blackkite]

Oh contra rotating propeller Shinden! It must be a Star's favorite.
The end stage of the war, Japanese fighters forced to fight with P-51 which escorted B-29 from Io island prior to B-29 attack.
It was a very hard mission for Japanese fighters.

 

[piginapoke]

Very interesting design. Wonder how it would have perfomed against a P-51?

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
http://www.geocities.jp/jp_j7w1_shinden/index.html#new
Shinden was planned to attack B-29 as follows.
(1) Shinden developed in altitude of 12,000 m ahead of B-29, and attacked using 30mm cannons.
(2) Repeat this once again.
In case of Shinden, it might be possible to dodge P-51 by it's high performance.(service ceiling : 12000m, maximum speed : 740km/h)
At the beginning of Shinden project, to have air combat flap was considered. Later this plan was abolished.

 

[alfakilo]

In case of Shinden, it might be possible to dodge P-51 by it's high performance.(service ceiling : 12000m, maximum speed : 740km/h)

I suppose it needs to be said again that airplanes don't win dogfights, pilots do.

In any case, the P-51H model may have been the opposite of the Shinden, had that possibility ever come to pass. The H model possessed superior altitude and speed to the numbers you have quoted. The same is true of the follow-on versions of the P-47.

 

[blackkite]

Oh P-51H!

 

[windswords]

Top speed of the long range P-47N was 467 mph (752 km/hr) and this was a plane that performed better at high altitudes where it would do bomber escort.

 

[blackkite]

I only give a sigh. ;D

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
No.16 video is a amazing one!
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6NqmUMqz4jcMeFSH_wINHCbFKHmj4Vah

 

[Grey Havoc]

Hi!
No.16 video is a amazing one!
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6NqmUMqz4jcMeFSH_wINHCbFKHmj4Vah

The video in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXi7Q0F-yKE

Another good find, blackkite.

 

[blackkite]

Thanks Grey!
Of course the other vides are also interesting, too. Please enjoy.

 

[windswords]

I only give a sigh. ;D

Although I appreciate their performance, I prefer the appearence of the P-47D and P-51D. I like the eliptical wing tips and smaller tail fillet (in front of the rudder) on the P-47D instead of the clipped wing tips on the N model (the clipped wing tips did give the P-47 a better roll rate than previous models). On the P-51 the longer nose, taller rudder and double antennae masts of the H model just looks - wrong. The P-51D is one of the most beautiful prop fighters ever (after the Ki-84 of course! ;D ). The H model looks like they hit it with an ugly stick.

Blackkite-san, I can't wait to look at these videos. Thank you for posting them.

 

[ArgyrisGiannetakis]

Very nice photos!!!Thanks!!for upload!!
I have thousand photos with shinden and i will send you!!!

 

[ArgyrisGiannetakis]

The most rare i thing are these!!

 

[ArgyrisGiannetakis]

 

[blackkite]

Oh! Are you a member of the NASM?

 

[ArgyrisGiannetakis]

No but i wish to be there one day! ;DI just have search everthing in internet, from static models,japan sites with photos,some friends in japan,rare books a letters from NASM, everywhere ;D All these just to find more information's about my Shinden build!I wish one day to be there and take the most precise photos!I thing the most precise photos must taken from zoukei mura team when they arrive at NASM.But they don't publish.

 

[blackkite]

No but i wish to be there one day! ;DI just have search everthing in internet, from static models,japan sites with photos,some friends in japan,rare books a letters from NASM, everywhere ;D All these just to find more information's about my Shinden build!I wish one day to be there and take the most precise photos!I thing the most precise photos must taken from zoukei mura team when they arrive at NASM.But they don't publish.

Wow precious information! Thanks a lot. I want to know the limiter of front wing slat.

 

[ArgyrisGiannetakis]

 

[blackkite]

Wow thanks a lot. I want to know the limiter position of front wing slat and flap.

 

[ArgyrisGiannetakis]

This i would like also to find because i need to build it on my canard