Won't really go feelingly above M2 with those intakes either.It would make sense if optimised for Mach 1.8 - 2.5 as DSI is less efficient above Mach 1.6 - 1.8. Seems unlikely though.
Won't really go feelingly above M2 with those intakes either.It would make sense if optimised for Mach 1.8 - 2.5 as DSI is less efficient above Mach 1.6 - 1.8. Seems unlikely though.
On the comparisons with F-35 and other aircraft, does anyone know what the internal payload bay capacity is? They look pretty small to me i.e. maybe 4 x AMRAAM-size weapons, but looks challenging to carry air-to-surface weapons or much of a mixed load.
Raptor do fly above Mach 2 with a similar inlet profile. And it's probable that limitations, if there is any, are not coming from their design (Ram, canopy...).Won't really go feelingly above M2 with those intakes either.It would make sense if optimised for Mach 1.8 - 2.5 as DSI is less efficient above Mach 1.6 - 1.8. Seems unlikely though.
That's the point: there are questions about its ability to go significantly above M2. And there is no real info to disregard those sadly, aside some old and vague citations.Raptor do fly above Mach 2 with a similar inlet profile. And it's probable that limitations, if there is any, are not coming from their design (Ram, canopy...).Won't really go feelingly above M2 with those intakes either.It would make sense if optimised for Mach 1.8 - 2.5 as DSI is less efficient above Mach 1.6 - 1.8. Seems unlikely though.
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A comparison of the FC-31/J-31 and KF-21
couldn't find a good side pic of the revised FC-31, so using a mock up.
just to compare the basic design as these two aircraft are most likely the most similar to each other
likely same weight class, same engine class, likely same bay size, etc
which would you choose?
Only at very basic level. Details might differ greatly. Can look at that as at high supersonic speed aircrafts: basic demands for reaching and sustaining those speeds is same for everyone, but there are numerous specific ways to achieve needed results.but, wouldn't all stealth aircraft have the same features?
yes, many have faceted bodies and the zig zags..I do not want to appear as if I have a great understadning of aircraft design, but, wouldn't all stealth aircraft have the same features? There is only a finite number of things and aircraft designer can do to make their design stealth. I find it's sort of like a teenager with clothing trends, when one wears something, the others will wear something similar, if not the same, very soon. The same goes for stealth aircraft design. One nation does one thing, the others follow.
Just my two cents
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It will carry at least 4 Meteor sized AAM's in the Block 2 configuration which will have true internal bay.On the comparisons with F-35 and other aircraft, does anyone know what the internal payload bay capacity is? They look pretty small to me i.e. maybe 4 x AMRAAM-size weapons, but looks challenging to carry air-to-surface weapons or much of a mixed load.
but if we look at some designs like the X-32, that was pretty unique.
maybe Su-57 as well
the J-20, while the front half looks a lot like a Lockmart design, is unique in that it has a delta canard.
then there are the models and proposals that took a more unique route. the McD JAST had no horizontal tails, and the X-36 had a canard, but no vertical tails.
I honestly want to see a scaled up X-36 design one day. I thought the idea was cool.
On the comparisons with F-35 and other aircraft, does anyone know what the internal payload bay capacity is? They look pretty small to me i.e. maybe 4 x AMRAAM-size weapons, but looks challenging to carry air-to-surface weapons or much of a mixed load.
how often do we see an unveiling of a new combat aircraft? 3 or 4 times per decade?
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a few countries flags were flashed over it, i saw Turkey, Indonesia, US, Peru, Ghana, a few others
potential export?
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Given that they've unveiled it already and that at least superficially it looks finished - what are the chances we will see the first flight this year? As opposed to 2022, as various pundits predicted previously?
On the comparisons with F-35 and other aircraft, does anyone know what the internal payload bay capacity is? They look pretty small to me i.e. maybe 4 x AMRAAM-size weapons, but looks challenging to carry air-to-surface weapons or much of a mixed load.
here is the cut away of the fueselage showing where the bays are. Of course, this current aircraft covers the bay with those semi-recessed panels.
But assuming those recessed areas are the size of a Meteor, it looks like 2 each bay, maybe 3
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on another note
I hope Indonesia's future force would be something like
50 KFX (replace older F-16s, Flankers)
50 FA-50s (replace the hawks, form the lo part of a hi-low mix with KFX as the hi)
20 TA-50s (advanced training)
KT-1s (Primary training)
Korea likely to allow home production of all of them. good for the Indonesian industry
also reduce the many different types
but since I assume Indonesia's main security challenge in the future will be China trying to exerts its claims over the SCS and Natuna island
Indonesia likely needs to maintain a defense relationship with the US and Europe.
US P-8s for maritime warfare
French submarines
would Indonesia need a LHD/LPD capability to defend some islands? would they need something like an F-35B?
Not sure about Russian relations. IRC, the embargoes have made Russian spares a bit challenging
but on the other hand if going by Vietnam's scenario, Russian presence in Vietnam's SCS claims have scared off Chinese pressure for that area.
This is purely fan-made. Nothing to do with KAI or anything official. If I could tell you anything, the author of this grpahics was one hell of a delusional retard.in regards to the internal weapons bay
here is a pic from bemil showing the bay but its of the earlier C103-ia model (not sure how far behind the actual KFX model)
if this is applicable to the current FX, then it would seem the bays have more space than the F-35
Seems legit - this is from KAI brochure.Not sure, how reliable this site is but the artworks - including a twin seater I did not know before - are the best I've seen so far:
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I'd think so, but it still looks really tight to fit 4 in that bay. The cropped fins on Meteor don't reduce the size as much as AMRAAM.Ah right, there are some graphics on a more compact, cropped fin meteor. How's its development going?
Could they potentially be considered for future KF-21s with IWB?
That max Mach relative to 1400 MPH already doesn't match up based on the altitude where modern combat tend to achieve their fastest speeds, generally around 35 to 45k ft. Standard conditions for Mach 1.8 at 35k would be just under 1200 MPH. 1400 MPH at the same altitude would about Mach 2.1. If it really is a 1400 MPH design, I imagine it's a credible supercruiser.Max Speed: Mach 1.81 (2,200km/h / 1,400mph)
Engine thrust: 2 x 22,000lb F414
Range: 2900km / 1550nm
Length: 16.9 m / 55.4ft
Wingspan: 11.2 m / 36.7ft
Height: 4.7 m / 15.6ft
Wing area: 46.5 m2*
Empty weight: 11,800 kg*
Max Payload: 7,700kg / 17,000lb
Gross weight: 17,200 kg*
Max takeoff weight: 25,400 kg / 56,400lb
* Figures from media sources - may not be accurate. Metric and imperial figures don't always match.
KAI has stated its not a 5th gen aircraft but a 4.5 gen one.That max Mach relative to 1400 MPH already doesn't match up based on the altitude where modern combat tend to achieve their fastest speeds, generally around 35 to 45k ft. Standard conditions for Mach 1.8 at 35k would be just under 1200 MPH. 1400 MPH at the same altitude would about Mach 2.1. If it really is a 1400 MPH design, I imagine it's a credible supercruiser.Max Speed: Mach 1.81 (2,200km/h / 1,400mph)
Engine thrust: 2 x 22,000lb F414
Range: 2900km / 1550nm
Length: 16.9 m / 55.4ft
Wingspan: 11.2 m / 36.7ft
Height: 4.7 m / 15.6ft
Wing area: 46.5 m2*
Empty weight: 11,800 kg*
Max Payload: 7,700kg / 17,000lb
Gross weight: 17,200 kg*
Max takeoff weight: 25,400 kg / 56,400lb
* Figures from media sources - may not be accurate. Metric and imperial figures don't always match.
I kind of can't help but view the KF-X as a sort of semi-5th gen design like the Su-57. Clearly close but lacking in some manners to fully match what I would consider true 5th gen traits. It's a very good start and perhaps where SAAB could've gone if they still plan on developing a stealth successor to the Gripen.
GBU-30 is a typo btw. It should be GBU-39 aka SDB-1KAI did CFD research using C107 model w\ IWB in 2017. In the research, four AMRAAMs/two AMRAAMs&four GBU-30 are considered as internal weapon.
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내부무장창 비정상 유동해석 연구에 대한 참여 기관(업체) 공모
This is purely fan-made. Nothing to do with KAI or anything official. If I could tell you anything, the author of this grpahics was one hell of a delusional retard.in regards to the internal weapons bay
here is a pic from bemil showing the bay but its of the earlier C103-ia model (not sure how far behind the actual KFX model)
if this is applicable to the current FX, then it would seem the bays have more space than the F-35
Max speed error was already deciphered (see above)Max Speed: Mach 1.81 (2,200km/h / 1,400mph)
Engine thrust: 2 x 22,000lb F414
Range: 2900km / 1550nm
Length: 16.9 m / 55.4ft
Wingspan: 11.2 m / 36.7ft
Height: 4.7 m / 15.6ft
Wing area: 46.5 m2*
Empty weight: 11,800 kg*
Max Payload: 7,700kg / 17,000lb
Gross weight: 17,200 kg*
Max takeoff weight: 25,400 kg / 56,400lb
* Figures from media sources - may not be accurate. Metric and imperial figures don't always match.
KAI did CFD research using C107 model w\ IWB in 2017. In the research, four AMRAAMs/two AMRAAMs&four GBU-39 are considered as internal weapon.
source
내부 무장 안전분리 특성 연구 연구에 대한 참여 기관(업체) 공모
내부무장창 비정상 유동해석 연구에 대한 참여 기관(업체) 공모
Max speed error was already deciphered (see above)Max Speed: Mach 1.81 (2,200km/h / 1,400mph)
Engine thrust: 2 x 22,000lb F414
Range: 2900km / 1550nm
Length: 16.9 m / 55.4ft
Wingspan: 11.2 m / 36.7ft
Height: 4.7 m / 15.6ft
Wing area: 46.5 m2*
Empty weight: 11,800 kg*
Max Payload: 7,700kg / 17,000lb
Gross weight: 17,200 kg*
Max takeoff weight: 25,400 kg / 56,400lb
* Figures from media sources - may not be accurate. Metric and imperial figures don't always match.
Range is probably wrong also and looks like to be more related to a maximum ferrying distance than a combat range.
on a related note, since we talked about exports and korean aircraft.
Korean FA-50 competes with Pakistan-China developed jet in Malaysia
Korean FA-50 competes with Pakistan-China developed jet in Malaysiawww.koreatimes.co.kr
JF-17 vs FA-50 in Malaysia!!!
they narrowed it down to those two, but the JF-17 is in the lead due to better medium range weapons
i thought FA-50 was cleared for AMRAAM no?