Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects

[hesham]

Dear Overscan,

by the way the Ilyushin Il-74 and Il-27 were mentioned in english site,
www.mda.org.uk/aircraft/9489.htm

 

[boxkite]

Dear overscan,

by the way the Ilyushin Il-74 and Il-27 were mentionin english site,
www.mda.org.uk/aircraft/9489.htm

Hesham,

Il-74 looks like a Tu-154 but with different housing of the landing gear. Model picture and artist's impression (no three-view drawing) are published in "OKB Ilyushin. A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft" (pg 363/ISBN 1-85780-187-3).

Il-27 - maybe it's an misprint. Two (totally different) projects with the designation Il-72 existed!

 

[hesham]

No boxkite,

the Ilyushin Il-72 was mentioned also in this site.

 

[boxkite]

Hesham,

Can you try to contact the 'webmaster' or anyone else of the RAF Museum website? Maybe they can disclose the reference/source of this mysterious Il-27.

There is no odd number amongst the Il-10/12/14/16/18/20/22/24/26/28/30/32/34 etc.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Traditionally odd numbers were single crew, even numbers were multiple crew.

 

[hesham]

Dear borovik,

Can I ask you if there was a two projects for Ilyushin in old series
called IL-26 & IL-44 ?.

 

[ucon]

Some of unknown (better to say not well known) Ilyushin projects:
Il-90 - narrow and wide body aircraft

 

[ucon]

more

 

[ucon]

Il-74 and Il-96-550

 

[ucon]

Two biz-aircraft - Il-126 and Il-X

 

[ucon]

And two variants of multi-role small aircraft Il-PS
Info about another Ilyushin not well-known aircraft will follow

 

[ucon]

Three more pix:
First project of Il-112 with low wing, and two pix of Il-86 from 1987
- Il-86 tanker, refuling from Il-78;
- Il-86 for 450 paratroopers.
Only one of each were built.
Regards

 

[ucon]

Hi to all.
Maybe this info will be interesting for Topheand for others)))
twin-boom battle-arcraft MSh-2 - further development of Il-2.
Regards

 

[ucon]

and a wooden model

 

[ucon]

Hi to all.
Il-64 civil aircraft project.
More info in www.avicopress.ru

 

[ucon]

Hi to all!
More info about unknown Ilyushin Il-52 flying wing bomber: www.avicopress.ru
Regards

 

[Tophe]

and a wooden model

Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

 

[boxkite]

Jozef and Konstantin,

I'm a little confused: Il-52-1-1.jpg blueprint shows four jet engines, but in the Il-52-2-2.jpg artwork it looks more like only two jet nozzles one above the other. ???

 

[PlanesPictures]

Thomas, four engines

 

[boxkite]

Jozef,

Thank you for the detail. Now I can go to bed and sleep tight .

 

[Tophe]

and a wooden model

Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

According to
http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/faq/sov_mil.txt
Ilyushin MSh is a design 1942. "MSh, Ilyushin: Design for a single-seat attack aircraft with the engine behind the pilot. Not built. 1942."
So MSh-2 may be before 1945? (unsure) ???

 

[borovik]

MSh-2 for me in the same way either as for Tophe absolute (and pleasing) news.
More info please. (If possible)

If allow.
MSh Shturmovik (22.07.1942)
Engine AM-38 (1600 hp)
Area wing 41,50m 2
Weights loaded 6000kg
Armament 1 x 37 (40) ShFK-37 by Shpital’nyi or NS-37
2 x 20 (200) ShVAK
2 x 7,62 (1500) ShKAS

 

[frank]

Am I wrong in disagreeing with this being called a 'flying wing'?

Hi to all!
More info about unknown Ilyushin Il-52 flying wing bomber: www.avicopress.ru
Regards

 

[ucon]

Hi to all.
Il-18-1 - very first soviet VIP-liner.
More info see in www.avicopress.ru

 

[Tophe]

Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side.

 

[Jemiba]

Hm, I can only see hard working members of the communist party, serving
the hard working soviet people and for this purpose, they of course were given,
what they essentially need to do their job. ;D

 

[joncarrfarrelly]

Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side.

You er my Dear Christophe,
all Comrades are equal, it is just that some are more equal than others.

Jon

 

[Just call me Ray]

Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side.

Eh, I do find it very surprising that there would be a specialized VIP aircraft (and though many Soviet and PRC leaders would end up having VIP aircraft, they were pretty austere especially by Western standards - not to mention it seems like a high percentage of Communist leaders are afraid to fly!) I suppose it could be configured in a manner similar to a DC-4.

 

[ucon]

Hi all!
Today is regional prop-liner Il-116.

 

[ucon]

Hi, guys
Two more Il-56 bomber projects
Regards

 

[ucon]

Never presented three-tailed DB-3F (Il-4) bomber. Please do not use in another site, except SPF

 

[Tophe]

Thanks a lot for these additions, Ucon. Is there an explanation for the 3-fin layout? Either correcting a design mistake or adapting to different engines with a huge torque or taking into accont a load providing unbalance, or else?

 

[robunos]

Have to say, that second Il-56 drawing looks
very like the Tupolev Tu-98 'Backfin'....


cheers,
Robin.

 

[ucon]

Hi, guys!
One of the very early Il-12 double-tailed project with ACh-31 engines. Note the shape of the fuselage nose part - it was used than in Il-18 (1947)

 

[T-50]

Il-74 and Il-96-550

Nice design this Russian counterpart to the Airbus 380,its a pitty that the Il-96-550 never was build.
I assume that the number 550 stands for the capacity to accommodate 550 passengers?

 

[ucon]

Yes, T-50, you are right

 

[Avimimus]

and a wooden model

Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

I had been assuming from the first photo that it was a twin pusher (single fuselage). However, the model suggests a tri-motor... Is this correct?

I always wondered why such a configuration wasn't used more often...

 

[Tophe]

Thanks to dear Ucon's sources, I have presented a slanting view of the MSh-2 (twin-engined) on my twin-boom site http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/update_FG.htm (find with Ctrl-f: msh). I hope all will be soon on Avicopress site... (no link yet on the MSh-2 word in Shturmoviki in Ilyushin part of this great site).
Anyway, thanks Avimimus for your suggestion of a 3-engined layout, I will draw it and present it to what-if friends (but not here, where Historic seriousness is the principle) and I may put it on Photobucket giving you the link in a PM.

 

[Maveric]

Hi all,

do you have drawings and technical data fot the Ilyushin IL.34 transport aircraft?

Thanks Maveric

 

[Triton]

Model of Ilyushin Il-74. The Il-74 was a 1966 competitor to the Tupolev Tu-154.

Sources:
http://www.forumavia.ru/forum/2/0/65894329028056453651182871020_all.shtml
http://www.testpilots.ru/tp/russia/ilushin/il_list.htm