Harpoon missile

Forest Green said:
I think a SLAM-ER has a longer fuel section though.
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Yeah but no Harpoon with Slam seeker or Harpoon with Slam seeker for ukraine? Atleast with the seeker they got better chances of hitting precise enemy Targets and for extra range one needs to revive Block 1D/Block II+ er engine, smaller warhead or all of it.
 
kqcke for you said:
Yeah but no Harpoon with Slam seeker or Harpoon with Slam seeker for ukraine? Atleast with the seeker they got better chances of hitting precise enemy Targets and for extra range one needs to revive Block 1D/Block II+ er engine, smaller warhead or all of it.
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It might help a bit but the problem is that none of the really important targets are actually in Ukraine wrt defence production.
 
This would be perfect for countrys like germany in a larger order where one spends Money outside of europe. Moral and material is again very low so this could Help quite a bit
 
SLAM has a problem in that it really prefers to have datalink back to the launch aircraft, which needs to hang around and help the missile lock on to its target (Yes, the ER does have automatic target acquisition, but it's primarily intended to help the pilot refine the target aimpoint, not to guide the missile totally autonomously). In the air threat environment Ukraine is dealing with, SLAM might not be highly survivable.
 
TomS said:
SLAM has a problem in that it really prefers to have datalink back to the launch aircraft, which needs to hang around and help the missile lock on to its target (Yes, the ER does have automatic target acquisition, but it's primarily intended to help the pilot refine the target aimpoint, not to guide the missile totally autonomously). In the air threat environment Ukraine is dealing with, SLAM might not be highly survivable.
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Hrm.

How many drones is Ukraine able to keep airborne at decent altitude? Datalink back to the drone and from drone to ground?
 
TomS said:
It's a beefy pod, around 700 pounds. A drone that can tote that would be an easy target for the same SAMs that would be gunning for the launch aircraft.
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Then again the AWW-13 Advanced Data Link pod is both pushing north of 2 decades now and does 12 other functions besides being a datalink for the Slamer.

You can likely par that down a whole lot with modern gear and focusing on just guiding tge SLAM instead needing to also needing to translate for the Fighter and along with receiving/sending data from like several legacy non link 16 systems like the U2.

Through in that it easier to have the Drone play relay to a ground station?

Very doable if they want.

But the SLAM is one of the Navy main beat sticks so I don't think those are being sent anytime soon.
 
Firefinder said:
Then again the AWW-13 Advanced Data Link pod is both pushing north of 2 decades now and does 12 other functions besides being a datalink for the Slamer.

You can likely par that down a whole lot with modern gear and focusing on just guiding tge SLAM instead needing to also needing to translate for the Fighter and along with receiving/sending data from like several legacy non link 16 systems like the U2.

Through in that it easier to have the Drone play relay to a ground station?

Very doable if they want.

But the SLAM is one of the Navy main beat sticks so I don't think those are being sent anytime soon.
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Depends on how many items in the SLAM have a lifespan, and how many SLAMs there are nearing that lifespan.

Probably not many, the US has had a long-running shooting war to burn up any old rounds.
 
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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) – The first of 100 land-based Harpoon anti-ship missile systems ordered from the United States have arrived in Kaohsiung, reports said Saturday (Sept. 28).

The first delivery occurred Friday (Sept. 27), with the equipment being unloaded at Kaohsiung Port, per the Liberty Times. There was no immediate word on which part of the missile systems had arrived.

The US approved the sale of 400 RTM-84L-4 Harpoon Block II missiles, four RTM-84L-4 Harpoon Block II maneuver missiles, 100 launcher transporter units, and 25 radar trucks in 2020. The first phase of deliveries, to be completed in 2026, included 128 missiles, with the second and final phase expected by the end of 2028.

The Ministry of National Defense had budgeted the full package at NT$71.02 billion (US$2.24 billion), but an extra NT$15 billion needed to be spent on building the bases to house the missiles
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Josh_TN said:
Does that mean they only have a single salvo for the launchers?
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Not sure what you mean, but according to the news report, 100 systems (each with 4 = 400) Harpoons were ordered, of which 32 sets (128) could be delivered by end-2026, with the remaining by end-2028.....

The order also included 100 trucks for the systems, and another 25 radar mounted trucks.....
 
Scott Kenny said:
Requires the launchers to be on trucks, or have trucks hooked up to the trailers. And being a moving vehicle anywhere near the area that a bunch of AShMs launched from is going to make me want to shoot it on general principles.
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These are not truck based launchers?!?
 
Josh_TN said:
These are not truck based launchers?!?
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The statement was that it would be worth buying reloads for the launchers if they were capable of doing a shoot and scoot.

Shoot and scoot launchers require either being mounted on a truck or to have a truck hooded up to the trailer kingpin, ready to drive away as soon as the launcher fires.
 
Scott Kenny said:
The statement was that it would be worth buying reloads for the launchers if they were capable of doing a shoot and scoot.

Shoot and scoot launchers require either being mounted on a truck or to have a truck hooded up to the trailer kingpin, ready to drive away as soon as the launcher fires.
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I assumed the Harpoon launchers were four round 6x6 platforms similar to what Japan used.
 
How many older block AGM-84s does the US and UK have in stock? It occurred to me now that Ukraine is operating F-16s they'd be able to use the air-launched Harpoon variant.
 
Forest Green said:
Could a P-8 carry Storm Shadows?
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Back in 2016, then Minister for Defence Procurement Philip Dunne said:

“The Department intends to bring the P-8A into service without significant modification to ensure the delivery of operational capability as soon as is practicable. There are no current plans to integrate Stormshadow or other UK manufactured weapons onto the aircraft.”
 
GTX said:
Back in 2016, then Minister for Defence Procurement Philip Dunne said:

“The Department intends to bring the P-8A into service without significant modification to ensure the delivery of operational capability as soon as is practicable. There are no current plans to integrate Stormshadow or other UK manufactured weapons onto the aircraft.”
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A lot can change in eight years and I have no doubt the events of the Russo-Ukrainian are influencing the way the UK deploys Storm Shadow.
 
NMaude said:
I wonder if Ukraine will get any SLAM-ERs?
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I doubt it. It has not been integrated with anything outside F-18 AFAIK and require a datalink pod. Plus I’m pretty sure it exists in rather trivial numbers; it was a rather special purpose weapon. JSOW has already been provided, though I cannot imagine there’s a lot of those either.
 
NMaude said:
A lot can change in eight years and I have no doubt the events of the Russo-Ukrainian are influencing the way the UK deploys Storm Shadow.
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Yeah, the UK has even less money than it did eight years ago. There’s no reason to fit P8 for Stormshadow; AFAIK it does not even have an anti ship mode.
 
Systems like SLAM/-ER, Storm Shadow and Taurus require sophisticated ground terminals to assist in mission planning .... besides position co-ordinates, the image templates needed to the do scene matching has to be derived .... not simple as compared with GPS-only or Laser guided bombs ....
 

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