Hanriot Projects & Little Known Aircraft

[toura]

Always from Jean Liron in "aviation magazine"
The Hanriot 220-1 as prepared from speed record
during 1938.....the plane lost an airscrew !!

 

[hesham]

Great find my dear Toura.

 

[hesham]

From l'Aeronautique 1930,


here is the rare aircraft,Lorraine-Hanriot LH-21S ambulance aircraft.

 

[hesham]

From l'Aeronautique 12/1938,


here is an early drawing to Hanriot H.220.

 

[wieesso]

@ reply #35
Maintenant, je l'ai trouvé une image. Il montre le Hanriot 320 c/n 1000 en Serbie 1926e.
L'image est à la page 95 ci-dessus (le plan dans le milieu)
http://serbian-airforce.leadenskybooks.com/files/SrpskiIntroMemorial.pdf
Martin

 

[hesham]

Nice find Wieesso.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


in WW1,Hanriot designed a twin engined aircraft project,maybe a fighter ?,powered by
two 220 hp engines with pusher propellers (I believed HD.10 or HD.11).

 

[c460]

Hanriot 160 light aircraft, from L'Aérophile 02/1938.

 

[Maveric]

Looks like the Lorraine-Hanriot L.H.16....

 

[hesham]

Looks like the Lorraine-Hanriot L.H.16....

It was developed from it.

 

[c460]

Yes, it's another name for the LH.16 or H.16.
Though it was shown in this 1938 article about l'Aviation Populaire, it was actually an older military model (1933). I guess that it was listed there because some surplus were used in Aviation Populaire sections, but I'm not sure.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

in 1938,Hanriot (SNCAC) had a design for a single seat Fighter Project,with a mid-wing and powered by
one six-cylinder engine,and had a Hispano canon.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

we want to check if Hanriot HD.54 was existing or not ?.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_aircraft_(H)

 

[blackkite]

Hi! H.110 and H.115.

http://alternathistory.livejournal.com/3124852.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanriot_H.110
"The H.110 began flight testing in April 1933. Tested against its smaller and lighter competitors, it proved slower and less manoeuvrable and was returned to Hanriot for modification. It flew in April 1934 as the H.115, with its HS 12Xbrs engine uprated to 515 kW (691 hp), a new four blade propeller with variable pitch[2] and a revised nacelle, shortened forward of the cockpit by 360 mm (14.2 in). A 33 mm (1.30 in) APX cannon was now housed in a fairing below the nacelle as an alternative to the earlier pair of Chatellerault 7.5 mm (0.295 in) machine guns. With its new engine and propeller the H.115 was quicker than the earlier version, with a top speed of 390 km/h (242 mph). After more modifications over the winter of 1934-5 it returned to Villacoublay in June 1935 and was officially flight tested until mid August, but failed to attract a contract."

 

[hesham]

From Ailes 2/1956,

here is a 3-view to Lorraine-Hanriot LH-21S.

 

[martinedo]

@ reply #35
Maintenant, je l'ai trouvé une image. Il montre le Hanriot 320 c/n 1000 en Serbie 1926e.
L'image est à la page 95 ci-dessus (le plan dans le milieu)

Serbian Aviation History | Leaden Sky Books

LEADEN SKY BOOKS - Serbian aviation history publisher

serbian-airforce.leadenskybooks.com

Martin

Have to correct myself - it's the HD.32 prototype no.1000, like you can see in the attached photo - the hunt for a F-AIGO photo continues...

 

[hesham]

From Avions 5,

the Hanriot H.232.

 

[hesham]

From TU 213,

HGP-6 was a five-seat transport aircraft of 1930,powered by one 250 hp Lorraine 7Mb
engine,maybe remained a Project only.

 

[Caravellarella]

From Avions 5,

the Hanriot H.232.

Dear Hesham, the Hanriot H.232 actually entered production & service as a bomber trainer; it's not a "project".

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[dan_inbox]

It actually served in several air forces

 

[hesham]

I know that very well my dears,

but its drawings was rare.

A twin engined Project.

 

[avion ancien]

.... but supposedly 'rare drawings' do not make it 'a project'.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

we want to check if Hanriot HD.54 was existing or not ?.

List of aircraft (H-He) | Wikiwand

This is a list of aircraft in alphabetical order beginning with 'H'.

www.wikiwand.com

I think it was a misprint and they meant HD.45 ?.

 

[PhR]

the Lorraine-Hanriot LH-80 was a parasol wing three seat recce monoplane
of 1932,in A.3 category,and powered by one 600 hp Lorraine Courlis 12 Fa
en W engine,prototype appeared in the same year,abandoned in 1934.

Do you have references about this project? I would like to confirm an hypothesis about this plane.
Project abandonned in 1934: this is logical, it is the date of the bankruptcy of SGA company (Société Générale Aéronautique), built around Lorraine.

 

[hesham]

Do you have references about this project? I would like to confirm an hypothesis about this plane.
Project abandonned in 1934: this is logical, it is the date of the bankruptcy of SGA company (Société Générale Aéronautique), built around Lorraine.

Yes my dear Philippe,and from TU 214.

 

[PhR]

Thanks hesham.
Many years ago, Pierre Leyvastre (who wrote French chapters in the small books from William Green, as well as various articles about French planes in Aeroplane Monthly and Air Enthousiast magazines) suggested to me the possibility that the recce plane project from SGA study office directed by Marcel Vuillierme could have been the LH-90. Unfortunately, I was never able to find any confirmation of this hypothesis.

I have presented this strange project in my book about René Leduc, because he also participated to this study. I attach one of the drawing I found in various patents filed by the team during the short period of SGA.

 

[PhR]

A comparison between Hanriot 110 and Hanriot 115.

 

[Stargazer]

A few questions:

1. Omega Models released a model of the "H.140". Was that a legitimate designation at any point for the HD.14? Or just another marketing invention?
2. Are there any photographs of the HD.25 in "multiplace de combat" configuration, before it was extensively modified into the H.25 T?
3. The HD.32 had an 80 hp Le Rhône 9C engine, but was it also tested with a 110 hp Anzani at some point?
4. Was the H.38 flying boat a three- or four-seater? And was it for surveillance or general purpose? I found contradictory information on the subject.
5. Information on the H.46 derivatives is sparse... And only the H.465 appears in photo form. Were the H.461 to 465 merely modifications of the original "Styx" prototype, or were they actually separate prototypes?
6. The designation LH.21 S suggests there must have been an earlier LH.20 project. Do we have any information on that?
7. Several H.180 and 181 photos exist, but many show just "H.180" on the tail... Was the sole H.180 T modified into H.180 M and H.181 prototypes? Did the one airframe just serve as a demonstrator for the whole series?
8. The LH.30-01 was modified in 1936 with a new rectangular planform to serve in the development of the H.220. Since it was a major modification, could this have received a new designation (such as "LH.210" for instance?)
9. Finland initially ordered 22 H.232 aircraft. Some sources claimed they received the designation H.232/3. Eventually Finland only received two... but some sources give three... Who's right? Also, what happened to the other 20? Were they built and procured by the French military as additional H.232/2 types, bringing the total to 55? Or were there only 35? Sources are again contradictory on that question.
10. The Messier archive contains mention of an "H.246 Transoceanic" in 1936. Is there any hint as to what this might have been? They also mention the "H.600" in 1939, suggesting that perhaps that designation was briefly used between H.220-2 and NC.600...

 

[hesham]

That's a lot not few ,I am kidding with you Stargazer,but I will try to respond;

1- As I know it was a variant of HD.14,later redesigned to be HD.141
2- The drawing which you sent is for "multiplace de combat" configuration,and I send
here the HD.25T picture,it was powered by single engine (not twins).
3- HD.32 was tested by both of them
4- H.38 was a three sea,and later intended for surveillance
5- For H.46,I think all of its variants were a separated variants
6- LH-21S was developed from Styx,and I suggest they called it as this,to avoid confusing with HD.20,no record
for LH-20
7- I think your statement is right, "the one airframe was just serve as a demonstrator for the whole series"
8- About LH.30-01 and your speculation if it was H.210 (Not LH.210),no that's not right,because all this done in
1931,and there was also LH.30-02,but H.220 was appeared from 1934/35
9- The 35 aircraft of H.230s were mostly used by French military,and there is no H.232/3
10- H.246 was clearly showed the development of H.46 as a Transoceanic project version,but H.600,yes
you are right about guess that.

 

[Stargazer]

1- As I know it was a variant of HD.14,later redesigned to be HD.141

Ah, but that's strange, because the HD.141 was clearly a civilian trainer variant, while the H.140 depicted is clearly military, so it can't have been the same variant.

2- The drawing which you sent is for "multiplace de combat" configuration,and I send here the HD.25T picture,it was powered by single engine (not twins).

You didn't answer my question. I know about the H.25T! What I wanted was a photo of the HD.25 in its original military combat configuration. Also you made a mistake, since the H.25T no longer used the "HD" prefix.

3- HD.32 was tested by both of them

OK.

4- H.38 was a three sea,and later intended for surveillance

It looks like a three-seater alright. I thought it was initially meant for surveillance and modified to general purpose later, not the other way around...

5- For H.46,I think all of its variants were a separated variants

I'm tempted to say here: "Pics or didn't happen"! Unfortunately, I have never seen any pics of version H.461 to H.464...

6- LH-21S was developed from Styx,and I suggest they called it as this,to avoid confusing with HD.20,no record for LH-20

It is possible indeed, just like they certainly skipped LH.140 because of the H.141 from the old series.

7- I think your statement is right, "the one airframe was just serve as a demonstrator for the whole series"

One thing is for sure: I never saw a photo of the sanitary version with "H.181" written on the tail...

8- About LH.30-01 and your speculation if it was H.210 (Not LH.210),no that's not right,because all this done in 1931,and there was also LH.30-02,but H.220 was appeared from 1934/35

No, you're wrong. This item from Aviation Magazine clearly states that the first LH.30 was modified in 1936 with a rectangular wing to serve in the development of the H.220. So yes, you're right, no "LH" anymore, but a new designation (such as "H.200" or "H.210") would definitely have been possible for such a major change.

9- The 35 aircraft of H.230s were mostly used by French military,and there is no H.232/3

Again, you misread my question! I never put in doubt the 35 examples for the French military. I was asking if the 20 undelivered aircraft for Finland had or hadn't been impressed as 20 additional examples, as some sources suggest. Also, I did NOT invent the designation H.232/3! I found two different instances of it, including this one on the site Avions Légendaires:

10- H.246 was clearly showed the development of H.46 as a Transoceanic project version,but H.600,yes you are right about guess that.

Ha ha ha! Sorry but it's totally ridiculous to even imagine that the small rugged H.46 of 1928 with its single 95 hp engine could ever be turned into a 1936 transoceanic transport project! You really should think twice before writing things like that! The unbuilt H.240 had two 450 hp engines, and was developed in 1936 so there is absolutely no question that the H.246 (also studied in 1936) would have been a derivative of it, and NOT the "Styx"!

 

[hesham]

Hi Stargazer,

1- May it was a misprint or marketing invention

2- I haven't a photo to H.25

3- OK

4- As I know,it was intended for surveillance

5- Also I haven't

6- I agree with that

7- That's right

8- You misunderstand the magazine,or they didn't explain well,what happened,during late 1931 and early 1932,
the first modification LH-30.01 was appeared and in 1933 up to 1934,the LH-30.02 was tested and redesigned as
to be H-30,and in April 1934,it used by the PSV school,and when Hanriot dissolved from Lorraine in 1933/34,the
company made it a basis for H.220 in 1936.

9- The 20 aircraft were served in French Military role,and as the source declared,may after the war it took this
designation

10- Maybe,and possibly they meant H.240,a wrote it wrong ?