I really think they should take a page from the F-35 program, and have the different countries build the entire production run of one set of parts. Example: UK makes the aft fuselage, Japan forward fuselage, Italy the wings or whatever.
While I can see the desire for each country to have a complete assembly line, I'm not sure that's the right way to do the initial construction efforts.
True, so its rather up for interpretation as of now. We'll most likely get to know in a year's time how the project actually shapes up.
Maybe talks behind the curtain. Killing of the only european competition makes ous, china, (france) and the usa the only Guys working on 6 Gen Fighter with success. India, S.K., Turkey and russia are only doing credible 5 Gen fighter work until now.
Because Germany is never guilty of heavy-handed promotion of German industrial interests, to the point of sabotaging promising projects.
Lol if this is true then that's hilarious "Please let us on your program to make executive decisions after we screwed you over multiple times on the last program we let you make executive decisions on. If you let us we will stop screwing you over." If Germany wanted a better relationship with the UK maybe don't veto the Eurofighter sale in the first place??? It didn't work for the Saudi's who wanted veto power and it won't work here either except it's even worse since you now have both Japan and the UK who wouldn't want Germany anywhere near the controls instead of just Japan.
Well thats the question. If they join and maybe Others (spain and/or belgium) then maybe they get there "own" version with there "own" export rights and can't mess in the Others Business. Maybe only if more then 75% agree for no export then it wont happen who knows.
The upside is a Economy on japans Level will join. If others join too GCAP/ Tempest will rule 6 Gen market as the usa probaly won't Export NGAD/FA FXX in the beginning.
Removing the block on the Saudi Typhoon sale would be the minimum condition for gaining entry.
You mean minimum condition for THINKING about gaining entry.
Germany maybe betting on a change of ‘political landscape’ shall we say in the UK.
Germany is also apparently seeing pushbacks from their industries, since cancelling that Typhoon sale will be the end of Typhoon production and putting over 1000 people out of work in Germany alone.
You mean Germany may be using the Saudi deal as leverage to negotiate a GCAP deal?!
Meine Gott, is there yet another French ambassador on the move?!
What does Germany bring to the table as a design partner for the GCAP?
It wouldn't make a difference on this issue.
Not mutch really i think. But do they have to If the perfect balance is there?
Good question. But they don't have to be better to Help.
Not after threatening some 6k high paying jobs in the UK it won't.
For the GCAP they do.
That's the thing. Germany has always negotiated based on workshare, not on "here's what we do best". The planning for GCAP is that everyone builds their own already, so that's workshare based on purchase orders. Arguably, the German GCAP would be 100% German workshare.
Probably wont happen either, at least not with Japan. They are teaming up with the US and Australia for their Loyal Wingman. This will likely just turn into the Loyal Wingman for GCAP and NGAD as a whole as I think the UK terminated their program. Maybe the UK could want a European solution that they have a say in and team up with Germany there, but idk.
Normally yes, but Japan's biggest opposition to SA in GCAP was their fear about a new partner abusing veto power when it comes to export sales and Germany's current negotiation strategy is to abuse veto power when it comes to export sales...
So far what has been revealed to the public so far: Japan is handling the engine, manufacturing methods such as metallurgy and bonding, FCS such as the radar, datalink and FC computer, and now are seemingly going solo on the missile after JNAAM fell through.
Exactly. I don't see Germany being allowed to join GCAP after that Typhoon export block stunt. Even if the contracts are supposedly written that any one partner CANNOT block exports.Normally yes, but Japan's biggest opposition to SA in GCAP was their fear about a new partner abusing veto power when it comes to export sales and Germany's current negotiation strategy is to abuse veto power when it comes to export sales...
Why is Japan opposed to Saudi Arabia joining UK-Italy GCAP fighter jet alliance?
Japan is concerned about future problems with Saudi Arabia as one of four decision-makers on the Global Combat Air Program's board with veto power, according to experts.www.al-monitor.com
Oh? That's quite a bit more than I had expected, thank you for the info!
Thats the question. Was ist ever in the final contract so one can't block or was it something that didnt get in (for what ever reason). All sides tell a different Story but until now it Looks like its not in the final contract and so not binding.
Yeah or germany going forward with FCAS UAVs and others can join of they want. After All the solution for all is just to make a damn contract for things one dont want to jappen.Probably wont happen either, at least not with Japan. They are teaming up with the US and Australia for their Loyal Wingman. This will likely just turn into the Loyal Wingman for GCAP and NGAD as a whole as I think the UK terminated their program. Maybe the UK could want a European solution that they have a say in and team up with Germany there, but idk.
U.S. and Australia seek military drone cooperation with Japan
The moves comes as the nations aim to maintain an edge in the face of China's growing military might.www.japantimes.co.jp
Either germany has no veto powers or you make them have veto powers other there own version. One could also make use of the a rule that If lets say 3 others say export is allowed then it is.Normally yes, but Japan's biggest opposition to SA in GCAP was their fear about a new partner abusing veto power when it comes to export sales and Germany's current negotiation strategy is to abuse veto power when it comes to export sales...
Why is Japan opposed to Saudi Arabia joining UK-Italy GCAP fighter jet alliance?
Japan is concerned about future problems with Saudi Arabia as one of four decision-makers on the Global Combat Air Program's board with veto power, according to experts.
But you can just make everyone pay themself and only themself or Others who want the same "modification" from the Standard model designed now.
Nice work mate.
My understanding was that a large part of the cause of the EF/Rafale split was because France absolutely required carrier compatibility and nobody else was willing to either pay for that or accept the limitations that carrier compatibility would cause (smaller airframe, heavier empty weight, overbuilt landing gear).
