FFG(X)

[Josh_TN]

Oscars are, yes.

How many other submarines have the capability of throwing a couple dozen mid-to-high-end AShCMs at you?

Oh, just about everything.

Only Yasen comes to mind. But I think the original post was critical of the age of the P700 (800?) missile complex, not the boat. I believe at least some of the Oscars are being updated to take the most modern missiles.

 

[Firefinder]

‘Generally considered’ so…opinion with no supporting evidence.

Dude the navy is on record saying it was a mistake.

The CREWS consider it a mistake.

The Admirals consider it a mistake.

It was a mistake to have ship the size of a damn Burke with a surviivalibity factor of a speed boat.

The only opinion here with no supporting evidence is yours.


The Red Sea Turkey shot shown that any too bit idiot can overwhelm a CEASER base system. Heck it will handily overwhelm the Perry system.

Its not the 70s anymore.


The Low Level Threats of today is the USN of the 1980s nightmare scenerio of the wake up screaming type.

You put a Perry style ship there today it will get murdered like the RN ships did in the Falklands unless it has escorts. Then it merely be useless to all.

 

[johnpjones1775]

Dude the navy is on record saying it was a mistake.

The CREWS consider it a mistake.

The Admirals consider it a mistake.

It was a mistake to have ship the size of a damn Burke with a surviivalibity factor of a speed boat.

The only opinion here with no supporting evidence is yours.


The Red Sea Turkey shot shown that any too bit idiot can overwhelm a CEASER base system. Heck it will handily overwhelm the Perry system.

Its not the 70s anymore.


The Low Level Threats of today is the USN of the 1980s nightmare scenerio of the wake up screaming type.

You put a Perry style ship there today it will get murdered like the RN ships did in the Falklands unless it has escorts. Then it merely be useless to all.

What crews? I know a dude who has already been DH on a freedom, and is in line for LCS command after his avenger, he has no issue with it.

Dorks on the internet love making wild ass claims without any supporting evidence, but vague stories online with no known origins.

Such a mistake the AAWC for the Red Sea took his flag to an LCS right?

 

[Firefinder]

What crews? I know a dude who has already been DH on a freedom, and is in line for LCS command after his avenger, he has no issue with it.

Dorks on the internet love making wild ass claims without any supporting evidence, but vague stories online with no known origins.

Such a mistake the AAWC for the Red Sea took his flag to an LCS right?

And I also have a friend who was a surface warfare officer from a Burke to a Freedom and immediatelly started to try to transfer back cause he hated the damcon set up and the thing gearing, which was supposably the refit FIX ones, broke the first time they hit 38 knots. The Navy freaking admits that the LCS is bad on surivivability for its role and is taking steps to upgrade it. This year the navy started rolling out a refit package to upgrade their survivability. They will not do that if they felt they were good.

Also, the same AAWC who was shove to a LCS and put behind 3 different burkes and did fuck all of use beside being a fancy retransmittor for the DDGs who did all the work? Cause the Threats the LCS faced could barely be track by her CEASAR? The one that got a participation award for being in a combat zone? That AAWC?

Like we been over this in the LCS thread boss, I like the things, mostly the Freedoms are a loss, but they are wholly unsuitable for frigate work like we need the Connies for.

They just dont have the Sensors or the weapons to do the job.

 

[yeetmahboi]

Constellation has supporting X band, too, just in a less elegant installation.

Where exactly?

054B flat strips are under (?) mark, as on other modern Chinese combatants those don't correspond to radars.

Except that there are evident flush mount panels for RF aperture.

 

[johnpjones1775]

And I also have a friend who was a surface warfare officer from a Burke to a Freedom and immediatelly started to try to transfer back cause he hated the damcon set up and the thing gearing, which was supposably the refit FIX ones, broke the first time they hit 38 knots. The Navy freaking admits that the LCS is bad on surivivability for its role and is taking steps to upgrade it. This year the navy started rolling out a refit package to upgrade their survivability. They will not do that if they felt they were good.

Also, the same AAWC who was shove to a LCS and put behind 3 different burkes and did fuck all of use beside being a fancy retransmittor for the DDGs who did all the work? Cause the Threats the LCS faced could barely be track by her CEASAR? The one that got a participation award for being in a combat zone? That AAWC?

Like we been over this in the LCS thread boss, I like the things, mostly the Freedoms are a loss, but they are wholly unsuitable for frigate work like we need the Connies for.

They just dont have the Sensors or the weapons to do the job.

Lmao, they upgrade survivability on all classes of ships regularly.
They’ve recently begun upgrading EW packages on Burkes.

You just don’t like them, so nothing will be good enough.

Also large surface combatant and small surface combatant are two very different career paths in the modern navy, so the likelihood that you’re lying or that your friend is lying is very high.

Even at the beginning of the LCS program they preferred to tap PC and Perry sailors particularly officers, and since then they’ve been specifically building and training a cadre of LCS sailors.

Lmao yes the AAWC was ‘shoved’ onto an LCS…not like he couldn’t have made his flag on any of the Burkes if he was concerned about the LCS’s survivability.

Don’t have the sensors or weapons to do what job? The FFG job? I never said anything about that, you’re just making shit up to be upset and argue about at this point.