European MGCS ( Main Ground Combat System)

[Scott Kenny]

As far as i know both rounds are supposed to be the same in case diameter and length.

Hrm. Interesting. That certainly removes one easy choice option.

Things the projectile diameter, max./min. ... pressure are different.

Given equal length penetrators, I'd rather have the one that runs at the lower pressure. Gives you more development room later on.

And even if one is some 10-50mm longer the extra 10mm diameter are also „important“ for NLOS munitions.

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. The Javelin is a 120mm (or close to that) diameter, so if the seeker etc fits in that form factor it'll fit in either one just fine.

 

[kqcke for you]

Given equal length penetrators, I'd rather have the one that runs at the lower pressure. Gives you more development room later on.

I try to look into it later to which has which.

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. The Javelin is a 120mm (or close to that) diameter, so if the seeker etc fits in that form factor it'll fit in either one just fine.

Yes they javelin which both don't produce. In the end the 140mm makes it easier for france to refit ther MMP for example to which germany (rheinmetall) has no alternative.

 

[fightingirish]

If the European MGCS should get a name, I suggest "Charlemagne".

 

[Forest Green]

If the European MGCS should get a name, I suggest "Charlemagne".

I suggest Tanky McTankface.

 

[kqcke for you]

I try to look into it later to which has which.

So the 140mm Ascalon has a normal 120mm round case diameter of 160mm with 169mm at the rim. But its supposed to be 130cm long or 1300mm. The 130mm L52 also has 1.3m long muntion.
130mm L52:
140mm Ascalon:

 

[Hicks]

If the European MGCS should get a name, I suggest "Charlemagne".

It won't happen, the name is too burdened to be politically correct these days.
Mainly because of :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Charlemagne

 

[kqcke for you]

Long article to Leclerc Evolution, 140mm Ascalon and to some part MGCS. If there right then MGCS will only a crew of 3.

From Leopard 2A8 and Leclerc XLR to MGGS: the KNDS roadmap towards the future MBT - EDR Magazine

At Eurosatory 2024 KNDS, the Franco-German land defence player, unveils its roadmap leading towards the MGCS, the Main Ground Combat

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[Forest Green]

NLOS marking on case?

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1802711646546116947

View: https://x.com/RheinmetallAG/status/1802711646546116947

https://twitter.com/x/status/1802704903153893762

View: https://x.com/hartpunkt/status/1802704903153893762

 

[Moose]

Slightly amused that Rheinmetall managed to make an uncrewed turret which appears larger than most crewed turrets. On brand.

 

[kqcke for you]

NLOS marking on case?

Yes. One of the "key" Marketing Things of Ascalon and something we will see more. Afterall If your enemy can't see you how can he hit you

 

[kqcke for you]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1802711646546116947

View: https://x.com/RheinmetallAG/status/1802711646546116947

https://twitter.com/x/status/1802704903153893762

View: https://x.com/hartpunkt/status/1802704903153893762

Probaly the best concept we got in the eurosatory. Iron Fist, Strikeshield and MUSS 2.0. tought i would guess a production version would also carry TAPS so 4 kinds of APS systems. Thats a lot in many ways

 

[Forest Green]

Yes. One of the "key" Marketing Things of Ascalon and something we will see more. Afterall If your enemy can't see you how can he hit you

So, is this a missile round, like Spike NLOS maybe?

 

[kqcke for you]

So, is this a missile round, like Spike NLOS maybe?

More like MMP. I remember that there was a french 120mm guided round for Tanks.

 

[Scott Kenny]

So the 140mm Ascalon has a normal 120mm round case diameter of 160mm with 169mm at the rim. But its supposed to be 130cm long or 1300mm. The 130mm L52 also has 1.3m long muntion.

And for some reason my brain went to "Let's just go ahead and go for the Supershot idea, punch the bore all the way out to ~160mm**" with no bottleneck to the case or taper.

** Note that if it was a brass case it'd be more like 155mm to account for case wall thickness.

But both the 130mm and 140mm have the same chamber volume and overall length? Okay, my vote is for the 140mm due to lower current operating pressures.

 

[Forest Green]

More like MMP. I remember that there was a french 120mm guided round for Tanks.

Ground Warden is the new generation digital sensor-to-shooter suite for MBDA’s AKERON family - Breaking Defense

From ISR to effectors, meet Ground Warden.

breakingdefense.com

 

[Forest Green]

KNDS debuts Enhanced Main Battle Tank technology demonstrator - Breaking Defense

Featuring an upgraded Leopard chassis with shortened engine to increase space inside the vehicle’s compartment, EMBT features KNDS’s new EMBT-ADT 140 uncrewed turret, which includes the 140mm Ascalon gun.

breakingdefense.com

 

[kqcke for you]

KNDS debuts Enhanced Main Battle Tank technology demonstrator - Breaking Defense

Featuring an upgraded Leopard chassis with shortened engine to increase space inside the vehicle’s compartment, EMBT features KNDS’s new EMBT-ADT 140 uncrewed turret, which includes the 140mm Ascalon gun.

breakingdefense.com

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Lamborghini Object-195 welcome back

 

[kqcke for you]

Some stuff about the Ascalon 120 and 140mm tank gun.

Eurosatory 2024 - KNDS ASCALON gun system becomes a family - EDR Magazine

At Eurosatory 2024 KNDS unveiled the 120 mm version of its ASCALON gun, which joins the 140 mm already seen in the past editions.

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[cador]

Probaly the best concept we got in the eurosatory. Iron Fist, Strikeshield and MUSS 2.0. tought i would guess a production version would also carry TAPS so 4 kinds of APS systems. Thats a lot in many ways

Exhibition proven !

 

[GTX]

Poland Considers Joining Franco-German Tank and Fighter Jet Projects

Poland Considers Joining Franco-German Tank and Fighter Jet Projects

www.armyrecognition.com