Eurofighter Typhoon

Deltafan said:
Bangladesh has a requirement for 16 new multirole combat aircraft (MRCA) to augment and eventually replace its aging Chengdu F-7s and MiG-29s, and the nation wants to turn westward after decades of purchasing its fighter aircraft from Russia and China.
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the Saab Gripen and Lockheed Martin F-16 reportedly have been offered and considered, though Bangladesh now plans to acquire more capable twin-engined fighters. The Dassault Rafale (in service with the Indian Air Force, which could be a drawback) and the Eurofighter Typhoon stand as the aircraft under consideration.
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Many in the Dhaka defense establishment believe that the Eurofighter Typhoon could give Bangladesh the capability edge it needs and could provide the deterrent capability it has lacked since the country became independent in 1971. For the Bangladesh Air Force, operating the Typhoon would provide a useful route toward forging relationships with the four high-tech Eurofighter partner nations and their air forces, and could provide opportunities to operate and train with the four GCC air arms that also fly the Typhoon.
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www.ainonline.com

Bangladesh Sizes Up Typhoons for Fighter Requirement | AIN

Having operated Chinese and Russian equipment for many years, Bangladesh looks to the West for its new fighter equipment.
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This will be an interesting competition that I will be watching with interest.
 
GTX said:
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Kuwait pursues corruption charges in Eurofighter plane deal

The Anti-Corruption Authority said that a major general and colonel in Kuwait’s Army would face prosecutors over their alleged misuse of public funds.
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There is anti-corruption authority in Kuwait... O RLY ? I mean, it is a bit like Geoffrey Epstein turning into a chast monk in a monastery. Or The Italian Mafia paying taxes.

That world is insane...
 
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TomcatViP said:
German and Italian AF integrated deployment in Romania:
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I always forget that Germany never purchased the IRST for their fighters, I wonder if that will change with their latest order?
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No, sadly the Eurofighters for the German Air Force will never get the PIRATE IRST system. The resent and upcoming Eurofighters for the German Air Force will use a Laser Designator Pod like the Litening III to track and identify air targets. This pod has an air-to-air mode and is also coupled with the radar.
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A pod is easier to upgrade and to swap out than integrated systems like the PIRATE system. The only trade-off is losing a weapon station.
Source: German magazine Flug-Revue and Flugzeugforum
 
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fightingirish said:
isayyo2 said:
TomcatViP said:
German and Italian AF integrated deployment in Romania:
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I always forget that Germany never purchased the IRST for their fighters, I wonder if that will change with their latest order?
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No, sadly the Eurofighters for the German Air Force will never get the PIRATE IRST system. The resent and upcoming Eurofighters for the German Air Force will use a Laser Designator Pod like the Litening III to track and identify air targets. This pod has an air-to-air mode and is also coupled with the radar.
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A pod is easier to upgrade and to swap out than integrated systems like the PIRATE system. The only trade-off is losing a weapon station.
Source: German magazine Flug-Revue and Flugzeugforum
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PIRATE is not coupled with the radar?
 
Yes, the PIRATE IRST is coupled with the radar.
I am just saying that modern laser designator pods can do much more today than just illuminating a ground target. These pods have not only an air-to-ground mode, but also an air-to-air mode (aka IRST/FLIR) and even a reconnaissance mode (aka REECE) too.
 
fightingirish said:
Yes, the PIRATE IRST is coupled with the radar.
I am just saying that modern laser designator pods can do much more today than just illuminating a ground target. These pods have not only an air-to-ground mode, but also an air-to-air mode (aka IRST/FLIR) and even a reconnaissance mode (aka REECE) too.
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But you have to carry a pod externally, which means extra weight and drag, and it uses a stores pylon, and it increases RCS. There are also upward elevation limits for a pod, just as there are downward elevation limits for PIRATE. That makes PIRATE better suited for air-to-air.
 
There are news reports with Turkish defense officials saying that any Turkish-Russo cooperation is pretty much dead now.
rather than typhoons, why not re-start negotiations to get the F-35 back.

Turkish Russian defense cooperation never made sense anyways. The two are on opposite ends in nearly every major conflict area.
 
We know the CAPTOR-E has three versions:ECRS Mk0,Mk1 and Mk2,Mk0 use the CAPTOR-M's back end and software based on CAPTOR-m software,Does this mean that the upgrade from CAPTOR-M to ECRS Mk0 is only an upgrade in performance data without a change in radar operating mode?
 
Forest Green said:
fightingirish said:
Yes, the PIRATE IRST is coupled with the radar.
I am just saying that modern laser designator pods can do much more today than just illuminating a ground target. These pods have not only an air-to-ground mode, but also an air-to-air mode (aka IRST/FLIR) and even a reconnaissance mode (aka REECE) too.
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But you have to carry a pod externally, which means extra weight and drag, and it uses a stores pylon, and it increases RCS. There are also upward elevation limits for a pod, just as there are downward elevation limits for PIRATE. That makes PIRATE better suited for air-to-air.
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And no-one ever has enough pods...not even the USAF. For most nations they can be counted with a pair of hands. Thats why pilots love built in systems like PIRATE and the F-35 DAS/EOS.

The German's not getting PIRATE was very much a 'spoiling a ship for a happorth of tar' moment...
 
Looks like the Italian sale of 24 x Typhoon to Egypt is coming close to completion...good news for Leonardo and BAE, probably MBDA as well...

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egyp ... v40mfjf45k

This means that the order, and near certain order, books for Typhoon are fairly healthy...

28 x Typhoon Tranche 4 to Germany under Project Quadriga
24 x Typhoon Tranche 3 to Egypt
15 x Typhoon ECR to Germany
Up to 50 x Typhoon Tranche 4 to Germany to replace non-nuclear Tornado
20 x Typhoon Tranche 4 to Spain under Project Halcon, to replace oldest EF-18
Total - 87 to 137 Typhoon, including new ECR variant

Orders still being built...
28 x Typhoon Tranche 3 to Kuwait
24 x Typhoon Tranche 3 to Qatar
Total - 52 Typhoon

Potential Orders...in order of probability..
c30 x Typhoon Tranche 4 to Spain - a possibility, to replace remaining EF-18 fleet.
48 x Typhoon Tranche 3 to Saudi Arabia - still in the works allegedly, but been very quiet..
? x Typhoon Tranche 1 (second hand) to Serbia - a possibility, probably no more than 12-16
? x Typhoon Tranche 1 (second hand) to Indonesia - a possibility, probably no more than 12-16
Total - 78 Typhoon and re-sale of max. 32 Tranche 1 Typhoon

Bangladesh I think is not worth listing (even compared to Indonesia and Serbia...)

Personally I'd round up all the remaining Tranche 1 Typhoon's and dump them free of charge into Ukraine post war...give the Ukrainian's something to replace SU-27 with. I'm not particularly enthused with a potential sale to Serbia, and Indonesia can pull its man pants on and buy new...

Now if only the RAF would tag an order on for 24 x Typhoon ECR to keep Warton happly ticking over until Tempest...
All in all its not bad going, should keep the companies going until at least 2030, if not on full assembly but component production.
 

I like the sound of that timmymagic, over twenty four Typhoon ECR for the RAF, Tempest is still many years away so they would be used as a stopgap measure, also the RAF should update the rest of the Typhoon force to F.4 standard for exactly the same reason.
 
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I like the sound of that timmymagic, over twenty four Typhoon ECR for the RAF, Tempest is still many years away so they would be used as a stopgap measure, also the RAF should update the rest of the Typhoon force to F.4 standard for exactly the same reason.
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It'll never happen of course...but the ECR would be a real capability boost for NATO in Europe, even the US would appreciate it as EA-18 aren't available in colossal numbers. It would also still have a role into the future in supporting F-35 and Tempest as well as retaining its fighter role if required. I would have thought that some of the EW capabilities developed would have a direct link to Tempest's systems...
 
The ECRS Mk 2 radar makes use of both gallium arsenide (GaAs) and gallium nitride (GaN) semi-conductors within its array, what kind of conductors does the MK-1 radar developed by Hensoldt use?
 
Spain orders more Eurofighters to replace their hornets

Eurofighter Typhoon | EUROFIGHTER, NETMA AND EUROJET SIGN HALCON CONTRACT FOR NEW EUROFIGHTER TYPHOONS

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on a related note, is this camouflage real or is this a US model with spanish markings?
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Interestingly, that puts the Typhoon price at around 100+M$

The signing of a €2 billion ($2.1 billion) deal at the Berlin Air Show on Thursday is part of a wider Spanish plan to replace its aging fleet of some 70 Boeing-made F-18s. Eurofighter had something of a lock on replacing the oldest of Spain’s U.S.-made planes, stationed on the popular tourist island of Gran Canaria west of Africa, and the government in Madrid cleared the purchase in late 2021.
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Spain finalizes $2.1 billion deal for 20 Eurofighters to replace old F-18s

Eurofighter had something of a lock on replacing the oldest of Spain's U.S.-made planes, stationed on the popular tourist island of Gran Canaria, and the government in Madrid had cleared the purchase in late 2021.
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Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
 
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timmymagic said:
FighterJock said:
Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
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There is some underlying tensions with Morocco, particularly around Western Sahara.
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You would not think that Spain and Morocco would have problems with each other especially with Western Sahara timmymagic, any word as to what caused the issue in the first place. This is the first time that I have ever heard of this issue.
 
FighterJock said:
timmymagic said:
FighterJock said:
Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
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There is some underlying tensions with Morocco, particularly around Western Sahara.
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You would not think that Spain and Morocco would have problems with each other especially with Western Sahara timmymagic, any word as to what caused the issue in the first place. This is the first time that I have ever heard of this issue.
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Plus Morocco claims Ceuta and Melilla, they came close to fighting back in 2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis
 
muttbutt said:
FighterJock said:
timmymagic said:
FighterJock said:
Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
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There is some underlying tensions with Morocco, particularly around Western Sahara.
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You would not think that Spain and Morocco would have problems with each other especially with Western Sahara timmymagic, any word as to what caused the issue in the first place. This is the first time that I have ever heard of this issue.
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Plus Morocco claims Ceuta and Melilla, they came close to fighting back in 2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis
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Yep - for islands with the stupid name of *parsley* - persil, perejil, same basic word in english french or spanish. That would have been a very spicyal war (runs for cover).
As stupid at fighting for rocky, windy, sparsely populated and resource-less islands near the antarctic... oh wait forget that one.
 
FighterJock said:
TomcatViP said:
Interestingly, that puts the Typhoon price at around 100+M$

The signing of a €2 billion ($2.1 billion) deal at the Berlin Air Show on Thursday is part of a wider Spanish plan to replace its aging fleet of some 70 Boeing-made F-18s. Eurofighter had something of a lock on replacing the oldest of Spain’s U.S.-made planes, stationed on the popular tourist island of Gran Canaria west of Africa, and the government in Madrid cleared the purchase in late 2021.
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news.yahoo.com

Spain finalizes $2.1 billion deal for 20 Eurofighters to replace old F-18s

Eurofighter had something of a lock on replacing the oldest of Spain's U.S.-made planes, stationed on the popular tourist island of Gran Canaria, and the government in Madrid had cleared the purchase in late 2021.
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Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
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That the Tranche 4 Typhoons are replacing the older Hornets doesn't mean that they will replace them on their location. Likely some aircraft will be transfered to Gran Canaria from the mainland, as if they needed the capabilities of the T4 Typhoon there they wouldn't operate stock F-18s.
 
FighterJock said:
timmymagic said:
FighterJock said:
Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
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There is some underlying tensions with Morocco, particularly around Western Sahara.
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You would not think that Spain and Morocco would have problems with each other especially with Western Sahara timmymagic, any word as to what caused the issue in the first place. This is the first time that I have ever heard of this issue.
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Long war between Morocco and Polisario in Western Sahara for decades, plus some tensions over Ceuta, Melilla and some small islets.
Kaanere said:
That the Tranche 4 Typhoons are replacing the older Hornets doesn't mean that they will replace them on their location.
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The Spanish government have previously stated this as the aim.
 
Deltafan said:
Maybe 80 Typhoons for Turkey :

www.defensenews.com

Russian invasion of Ukraine is reviving Euro-Turkish fighter efforts

“The war has practically killed all potential Turkish-Russian deals in strategic weapons systems,” said a senior Turkish diplomat.
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Turkish MOD came out saying that Eurofighters were not on the agenda and emphasis was given to develop Turkey's 5th gen fighter.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1540620962839887872
View: https://twitter.com/amelikturkes/status/1540620962839887872?s=20&t=wJmMcXsAalGx6PcgqeDWqg

Turkey also has an F-16 Modernisation programme;
 
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Combat-Master said:
Deltafan said:
Maybe 80 Typhoons for Turkey :

www.defensenews.com

Russian invasion of Ukraine is reviving Euro-Turkish fighter efforts

“The war has practically killed all potential Turkish-Russian deals in strategic weapons systems,” said a senior Turkish diplomat.
www.defensenews.com www.defensenews.com
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Turkish MOD came out saying that Eurofighters were not on the agenda and emphasis was given to develop Turkey's 5th gen fighter.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1540620962839887872
View: https://twitter.com/amelikturkes/status/1540620962839887872?s=20&t=wJmMcXsAalGx6PcgqeDWqg
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Is it the good translation :
Will Turkey buy a "Eurofighter Typhoon" fighter jet?

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Defense industry sources and military officials spoke to .

➡️Defence industry sources also defended the view that "National Combat Aircraft studies should be concentrated on".
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If yes, nothing is sure.
 
Archibald said:
muttbutt said:
FighterJock said:
timmymagic said:
FighterJock said:
Interesting to see that the Eurofighter's will be based on Gran Canaria.
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There is some underlying tensions with Morocco, particularly around Western Sahara.
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You would not think that Spain and Morocco would have problems with each other especially with Western Sahara timmymagic, any word as to what caused the issue in the first place. This is the first time that I have ever heard of this issue.
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Plus Morocco claims Ceuta and Melilla, they came close to fighting back in 2002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perejil_Island_crisis
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Yep - for islands with the stupid name of *parsley* - persil, perejil, same basic word in english french or spanish. That would have been a very spicyal war (runs for cover).
As stupid at fighting for rocky, windy, sparsely populated and resource-less islands near the antarctic... oh wait forget that one.
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Looks like NATO has agreed that Ceuta and Melilla will fall under Article 5 in the future....
https://twitter.com/x/status/1541183731842654208
 
So the islands will get the same NATO Article 5 protection that other member countries get, that is good news and should stop any future aggression from Morocco.
 

Hensoldt jamming system proves effectiveness against radars of various types​

https://news.google.com/publications/CAAqBwgKML_xlAsw9MKqAw?oc=3&ceid=US:en
Hensoldt jamming system proves effectiveness against radars of various types

Hensoldt's 'Kalaetron Attack' has proven its effectiveness against anti-aircraft radars of various types. (Picture source: Hensoldt)
Measurements in various operationally relevant scenarios show that "Kalaetron Attack" can detect even the latest air defence radars and interfere with them by means of precisely directed jamming signals.

The effectiveness and responsiveness of the system is also based on artificial intelligence (AI) techniques, which enable the classification of unknown threats in the field and the rapid evaluation of large amounts of data. In doing so, the many years of in-depth experience in the development of jamming approaches against radars were profitably combined with the latest approaches of the Edge AI approach.
"Control of the electromagnetic spectrum is an essential prerequisite for information superiority, and thus the success of military missions and the protection of one's own soldiers," says Celia Pelaz, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of the Spectrum Dominance Division at Hensoldt. "Kalaetron Attack also makes it possible to deny the enemy the use of this spectrum - for air defence, for example".

The jamming system is part of Hensoldt's fully digital 'Kalaetron' product family, which is used in self-protection and signal reconnaissance systems in the German armed forces, among others. In addition to cognitive software elements, the core elements are a fully digitised, broadband sensor and an electronically controllable jammer. Metallic 3D printing enabled a condensed design of the electronic components so that the jammer can be easily integrated into pod formats commonly used worldwide or directly into various flying platforms. Kalaetron Attack, as an escort jammer for the Eurofighter, therefore provides the Luftwaffe with the timely capability transfer of the ECR Tornado and, at the same time, expands the capabilities of the Eurofighter by the urgently required component of electronic warfare (escort jamming) in modern operational scenarios. Due to its scalability, the system can also be used in land- or ship-based applications.
 
Curious - do these type jamming pods obviate the need for a ECR specific aircraft?

I understand Germany are looking to develop a Eurofighter ECR variant, but why not just use pods like these on standard Eurofighters instead?
 

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