Eastern Mediterranean

I'm surprised to see no posts in here regarding the fall of the Assad Regime in Syria. The events of the past few weeks have been truly incredible to say the least, and to casual observers like me, it was a major surprise.

I had been attempting to collect sources about this event but it was futile; the flurry of information was simply too great. Perun did a masterful job and summarised the whole thing quite eloquently:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOzXlat-TcE&ab_channel=Perun
 
Jason Dykstra (Wyvern) said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUjq4Ov0o4U&ab_channel=HISutton
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The Russian economy breathes through highly flammable oil and gas pipelines, through fleets of oil tankers subject to international economic sanctions that cross sea straits not controlled by anyone. In my opinion, its survival depends on the goodwill of the West, on India's tolerance and on a difficult balance with the terrorist groups it has been massacring for half a century. In my opinion, Russia should negotiate a just peace before things get worse in the Sahel, in South America, in the Middle East and in the China Sea. The world is changing.
 
jsport said:
apnews.com

US troops need to stay in Syria to counter the Islamic State group, Austin says

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told The Associated Press that the U.S. needs to keep troops deployed in Syria to prevent the Islamic State group from reconstituting as a major threat.
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That belongs to the old democrat scheme of exporting democracy to countries that do not want it. In my opinion, that is not going to happen with the new US administration. I believe they will withdraw troops from Syria, and from other places. When the European Union gets tired of sending money to the area, the Burqa will return. There is no point in trying to change the way these people think. I don't even think it's smart to tell them how they must live.
 
Justo Miranda said:
..., the Burqa will return. There is no point in trying to change the way these people think. I don't even think it's smart to tell them how they must live.
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It’s not so easy. Firstly the EU has interests in a Syria, not being a Theocracy. If it’s just for the sake of being legally able to send asylum seekers some day back.
Secondly, Syria has no homogeneous population, so “these people” could have different thoughts on the matter.

Hypothetical speaking, if the regime in Iran would lost his power somehow (no, I’m not a warmonger) I doubt the majority would vote again for a religious leader. So, in my opinion, change to a more liberal way (in the likes of Age of Enlightenment) is always in the cards. All it takes is time (at least decades), blood and tears.

The question for me is, is it our responsibility to “help” them somehow.
The applied alternative is to support strong men at the expense of democratic but not liberal movements or don’t interfere at all (if there is no risk to yours). Better?
 
0cu0 said:
It’s not so easy. Firstly the EU has interests in a Syria, not being a Theocracy. If it’s just for the sake of being legally able to send asylum seekers some day back.
Secondly, Syria has no homogeneous population, so “these people” could have different thoughts on the matter.

Hypothetical speaking, if the regime in Iran would lost his power somehow (no, I’m not a warmonger) I doubt the majority would vote again for a religious leader. So, in my opinion, change to a more liberal way (in the likes of Age of Enlightenment) is always in the cards. All it takes is time (at least decades), blood and tears.

The question for me is, is it our responsibility to “help” them somehow.
The applied alternative is to support strong men at the expense of democratic but not liberal movements or don’t interfere at all (if there is no risk to yours). Better?
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There is no civilization better than another, in each historical period there is one that stands out and then falls to be replaced by another, like the teeth of sharks. During the Middle Ages the Muslim city of Cordoba had gas lighting, in one of the most unfortunate periods in history my country was part of a caliphate, and all the administration was processed from Damascus... The wheel turns, let it turn.
 
Civilizations are a diffuse concept in this day and age. That differentiation worked in a time without aircraft, internet and with homogeneous populations.
But you can now definitely live in a country/culture where you are more oppressed than somewhere else, especially if you are female or a minority of some kind. Do you have to care? Of course not.

Like I said, letting everything run its course is a possibility.
I don’t have the answer, by the way.

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