Drones and how to kill them?

PKK shoot down of Turkish Akinci
Video of the shoot down,tho we cant really tell what weapon was used to bring it down unfortunately.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Stinger is also possible, but I don't think the PKK was on the receiving list of those.
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While possible, given the events of the last ~20-25 years not likely and if they do have Stingers I wouldn't be surprised if they're Afghanistan war vintage (As in 1980s) which would mean they're time-expired.
 
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Ukraine Has Another New SAM System That Fires Soviet R-73 Air-To-Air Missiles

The Soviet-era R-73 dogfight missile is fast becoming established as a weapon of choice for Ukrainian extemporized surface-to-air missile systems. The Soviet-era R-73 dogfight missile is fast becoming established as a weapon of choice for Ukrainian extemporized surface-to-air missile systems.
www.twz.com
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This is a SAM against all aerial platforms not just UAVs. In fact the missiles used probably cost more than most UAVs in use.
 
Something like this works against small drones that are operating by receiving a signal input from a controller: https://www.ixiew.com/products/dronekiller-2/ I got to see one yesterday, it's a pretty slick package. The basic idea is that it messes with the control signal, causing the drone to invoke its "oh crap where am I" response - hovering in place, landing immediately, or returning to point of origin. Electronic warfare is always an option, provided there is a control signal for you to screw about with.

Swarming suicide drones which are basically cruise missiles? Probably not gonna work against those. In that case I'd wonder if something like a several ground-based, mobile CWIS equipped with shipping containers of bullets is viable.
 
Forest Green said:

Ukraine Has Another New SAM System That Fires Soviet R-73 Air-To-Air Missiles

The Soviet-era R-73 dogfight missile is fast becoming established as a weapon of choice for Ukrainian extemporized surface-to-air missile systems. The Soviet-era R-73 dogfight missile is fast becoming established as a weapon of choice for Ukrainian extemporized surface-to-air missile systems.
www.twz.com
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Ukraine has been putting to good use its' large stockpile of inherited Soviet-era missiles.

GTX said:
In fact the missiles used probably cost more than most UAVs in use.
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Well, yes and no, yes the AA-11 Archer no doubt costs (Adjusted for inflation) more than most its' targets but on the other hand the missiles are inherited leftovers of the vast Soviet-era stockpile and keep in mind that back in the bad old days of the USSR the Ukrainian SSR was the missile-house of the Soviet Union.

Edit: I'm wondering if Ukraine is also putting to use its' inherited stockpile of AA-8 Aphids and the AA-7B Apex(IR-guided variant)?
 
Scott Kenny said:
Looks like a missile, so whatever MANPADS the Kurds had onhand.
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Iran has supplied the PYD(SDF) and the PKK with the famous 358 loitering missile to infuriate Turkey and an Aksungur drone was also previously shot down with it over Northern Iraq.

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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pkk-new-tech-fuels-turkey-suspicions-iran

See also:

Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan Warns Iran Against Using Militias To Undermine Stability In Syria: 'People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones'​

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An Iraqi source close to the PKK, contacted by MEE, claimed that Iran had supplied the 358 system in parts, which the PKK then assembled. This process, according to the source, has been going on for about two years, with some assembly occurring south of Sulaymaniyah.
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Last month, Turkey’s defence minister, Yasar Guler, told a Turkish newspaper that Iran had not been cooperative with Ankara in its fight against the PKK, despite Turkey's efforts to monitor the group’s movements and inform Tehran.
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Iran denies turning a blind eye to the PKK's movements and activities. The Qandil Mountains, part of which lies inside Iran, serve as the PKK's main stronghold in northern Iraq. According to Turkish officials, PKK senior cadres have survived Turkish air strikes by taking refuge on the Iranian side.
Turkish security sources, speaking anonymously to MEE, claimed that Iran is increasingly strengthening its ties with the PKK against both Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq.
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Defense Updates has a new video out about a new C-UAS missile the BlueHalo Freedom Eagle 1 (FE-1) that is in development:


BlueHalo, a defense technology firm focused on transforming global defense solutions, has successfully launched its Freedom Eagle-1 (FE-1) missile for the first time.This new weapon is being developed for the U.S. Army’s Next-Generation Counter-Uncrewed Aerial System (C-UAS) program.
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The live-fire demonstration of the FE-1 Controlled Test Vehicle (CTV) took place from January 16-18 this year at Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona, though details of the event were only recently disclosed. This test was conducted under the Next-Generation C-UAS Missile (NGCM) program, which seeks to expand the U.S. munitions industry’s capacity to address evolving aerial threats, particularly drones.Designed to be cost-effective and easily mass-produced, the FE-1 is part of the Army’s broader initiative to counter the growing drone threat more effectively.
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Jonathan Moneymaker, BlueHalo's chief executive officer, stated,“In light of recent global events, including activities in Europe, the Red Sea, and Taiwan, we’re taking a proactive stance — increasing internal investments to advance our FE-1 system and leaning in to meet the demand signal on an expedited timeline”
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In this video, Defense Updates reports on the BlueHalo Freedom Eagle-1 missile.
#defenseupdates #usmilitary #usmilitarypower
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Chapters:
0:00 TITLE
00:11 INTRODUCTION
02:16 THE TEST
03:15 FE-1
05:20 AIR DEFENSE IS NOT CAPABLE ENOUGH
06:29 ANALYSIS
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The FE-1 CTV prototype likewise reminds me of a stunted RIM-24 Tartar or RIM-66 Standard 1 missile. Anyway it will be interesting to see how this missile works in out in real life.
 
NMaude said:
Ukraine has been putting to good use its' large stockpile of inherited Soviet-era missiles.



Well, yes and no, yes the AA-11 Archer no doubt costs (Adjusted for inflation) more than most its' targets but on the other hand the missiles are inherited leftovers of the vast Soviet-era stockpile and keep in mind that back in the bad old days of the USSR the Ukrainian SSR was the missile-house of the Soviet Union.

Edit: I'm wondering if Ukraine is also putting to use its' inherited stockpile of AA-8 Aphids and the AA-7B Apex(IR-guided variant)?
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I'm not sure that it's realistic to expect that the seekers on those old missiles would work against drones.
 
Joint Soviet Fighter said:
I'm not sure that it's realistic to expect that the seekers on those old missiles would work against drones.
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There IR-seekers I have no doubt could easily be modernised by the Ukrainians as they're old, well understood designs and don't forget that before the USSR collapsed the Ukrainian SSR was the missile centre of the Soviet Union.
 
NMaude said:
There IR-seekers I have no doubt could easily be modernised by the Ukrainians as they're old, well understood designs and don't forget that before the USSR collapsed the Ukrainian SSR was the missile centre of the Soviet Union.
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Fair enough :). Would Ukraine make the modifications, themselves, or have someone else do it? We love our pricey military technology, but the upgrade can't be too expensive.
 
Joint Soviet Fighter said:
Fair enough :). Would Ukraine make the modifications, themselves, or have someone else do it? We love our pricey military technology, but the upgrade can't be too expensive.
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The Ukrainians would of course do any upgrades/modifications as they understand these designs very well, they'd only get outside help if it was for something they had little or no experience with.
 
Joint Soviet Fighter said:
The drone detection range of 4 km is definitely a plus, but I'm not sure about the rest, as they seem to be at least a step behind. Like, what happens if/when the proximity fuze in those 30mm rounds doesn't work? What will they do if environmental conditions prevent the use of the laser?
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The M230lf is fast enough firing, over 300 rpm, that even if one proxy fuse does work the next one will. Plus unlike Russia made fuses the US ones are actually built to a decent standard with high reliability so they WILL work.

And the Conditions that prevent the use of the laser also prevents the flight of the drones so is a none issue.
 
GTX said:
这是针对所有空中平台的SAM，而不仅仅是无人机。实际上，使用的导弹可能比使用中的大多数无人机花费更多。
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你是对的。无人机是未来战争的主要武器，其低成本是一个优势。

"You are right. UAVs are the main weapon in future wars, and their low cost is an advantage." (Machine translation)

Please remember that for practical reasons in an international forum, English was chosen as our communication language.
If you aren't competent on it, no problem, machine translation is an option.
Thanks and welcome
感謝並歡迎
 
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Joint Soviet Fighter said:
The drone detection range of 4 km is definitely a plus, but I'm not sure about the rest, as they seem to be at least a step behind. Like, what happens if/when the proximity fuze in those 30mm rounds doesn't work? What will they do if environmental conditions prevent the use of the laser?
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Is it actually a proximity fuze, or just a timed fuze? Timed fuzes are quite reliable (hence why AHEAD uses them).

And if the weather is bad enough that the laser isn't working, the drones won't be flying either.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Is it actually a proximity fuze, or just a timed fuze? Timed fuzes are quite reliable (hence why AHEAD uses them).

And if the weather is bad enough that the laser isn't working, the drones won't be flying either.
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MACE IN YO FACE -

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7ym1zkda8

Unlike lasers, drones can still work in some fog/overcast conditions, though, so it's not entirely black-&-white.
 
Firefinder said:
The M230lf is fast enough firing, over 300 rpm, that even if one proxy fuse does work the next one will. Plus unlike Russia made fuses the US ones are actually built to a decent standard with high reliability so they WILL work.
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Of course :rolleyes:.
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And the Conditions that prevent the use of the laser also prevents the flight of the drones so is a none issue.
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No necessarily for the reason that I posted, above.
 
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Micro Missile-Slinging Drone-Killing Drone Concept Revealed By Airbus

The Airbus Low-Cost Air Defense or LOAD concept takes an existing target drone and adds small air-to-air missiles to bring down enemy UAVs. The Airbus Low-Cost Air Defense or LOAD concept takes an existing target drone and adds air-to-air missiles to bring down enemy UAVs.
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How much all that hardware cost for a drone (radar, airframe infra, missiles, missile infra...).

Airbus keeps missing the point on CUAS since more than a decade. How is that acceptable?

Wouldn't had it been more appropriate to pair with qualified innovators back then instead sending them their thugs?
 
TomcatViP said:
How much all that hardware cost for a drone (radar, airframe infra, missiles, missile infra...).

Airbus keeps missing the point on CUAS since more than a decade. How is that acceptable?

Wouldn't had it been more appropriate to pair with qualified innovators back then instead sending them their thugs?
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I have my doubts not in terms of costs but how such a system would be used , unlike SAM missile that is containerised and ready to launch these targets , require considerable manipulation to get fueled, armed and started and catapult launched (catapult needs like 10minutes to come to launch pressure, you can use RATO but still ...) , so could only be used with considerable manpower if and when there is ample warning to incoming drones and their rutes.

But you know there is money being thrown around so expect companies to cash in on development projects no mater how impractical they might be .
 
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Shin_getter
This thing is like a multi-barrel anti-drone missile launcher or something like Metal Storm.
 


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