Current US hypersonic weapons projects. (General)

Just been thinking. A Dark Eagle/CPS costs ~$40m and a Falcon 9 launch costs $15m (reusable)* and has an RTLS (Return to Launch SIte) payload of 12,000kg. Theoretically you could load say two dozen C-HGBs on a Falcon 9 (maybe more given sub-orbital trajectory) and hit 24 targets anywhere on the planet in ~20-25 minutes at a cost of ~$1-2m per target. (Guessing cost a little here because I'm not sure how much a C-HGB on its own costs but presumably much less than an AUR(All-Up Round).) The LV would then return to the launch site. You could do the same with any reusable launcher, current or future reusable LV (Falcon 9, Sharship, Terran R, Nova... etc.).

*https://www.elonx.net/how-much-does...on-musk-explains-why-reusability-is-worth-it/
According to Elon Musk, the marginal cost for a reused Falcon 9 launch is only about $15 million. He explained that the majority of this amount was represented by the $10 million it costs to manufacture a new upper stage.
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I believe this is the right thread for this Defense Updates video concerning the USAF's current and future strike and interceptor missiles:


The war in Ukraine, the withdrawal from INF Treaty due to Russian non-compliance, Iran & North Korea’s significant military buildup as well as Chinese aggression in the South China Sea has pushed the U.S. military to come to terms with new realities.Gone are the days when it was waging wars against adversaries with no-to-limited high-tech weaponry.The US military is taking key steps to evolve and one crucial aspect of this endeavor is adding new cutting-edge missiles to its inventory.
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In this video, Defense Updates analyzes what new missiles the U.S. military will bring to the fight in the coming days?
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#defenseupdates #futureusmissiles #usmilitaryhttps://www.youtube.com/hashtag/usmilitary
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Chapters:
00:11 INTRODUCTION
02:08 AIM-260
03:07 PrSM
04:21 MAKO
05:34 LREW
06:21 TOMAHAWK BLOCK V
07:31 LRHW -Dark Eagle
08:21 LRAAM
09:55 AIM-174B
11:19 NEXT GENERATION INTERCEPTOR
12:36 SENTINEL ICBM
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Forest Green said:
Guam (left), Rammstein (right)
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OT (sorry) ... but *LOL*!! :D

The US base in Germany is named Ramstein. Rammstein is the well-known hard rock band. They are famous for the extensive use of pyrotechnics in their shows, but I think a full-scale LRHW launch would be a bit over the top :p.
 
Andreas Parsch said:
OT (sorry) ... but *LOL*!! :D

The US base in Germany is named Ramstein. Rammstein is the well-known hard rock band. They are famous for the extensive use of pyrotechnics in their shows, but I think a full-scale LRHW launch would be a bit over the top :p.
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I have 4 albums, I assumed the spelling was the same for some reason.

kqcke for you said:
Did Lrwh have a warhead or was it full kinematics?
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Usually tested with an inert warhead, my guess.

Josh_TN said:
Is the army test going to use the real launcher or just a test stand?
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I would assume so, but we will find out.
 
Alex Hollings from Sandboxx has just put out a video concerning LM's Mako:


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Lockheed Martin has released new details about the air-launched hypersonic Mako missile, which promises to be the first hypersonic weapon in the world that can be launched from the internal weapons bay of not just the F-35, but the F-22 Raptor as well.
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This new missile has been under development for seven years and has been touted by Lockheed officials as a “multi-mission” weapon system capable of maritime strike, counter-air defense, and a variety of other surface-attack operations. It was originally developed for the U.S. Air Force, but now may find a home with the U.S. Navy instead.
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Let's talk about what we've learned about this groundbreaking new weapon.
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You can catch our first deep dive into the Mako Missile here: • The new HYPERSONIC missile that fits ...
And you can read our full coverage of this development on Sandboxx News here: https://www.sandboxx.us/news/lockheed...
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Andreas Parsch said:
OT (sorry) ... but *LOL*!! :D

The US base in Germany is named Ramstein. Rammstein is the well-known hard rock band. They are famous for the extensive use of pyrotechnics in their shows, but I think a full-scale LRHW launch would be a bit over the top :p.
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As if Rammstein wouldn't accept a request to perform at the launch of an LRHW... :D
 
I wonder if the plan is to have it re-enter at the start of the marked area and then pull up and manoeuvre the rest of the way. Looks like they might be firing two. Anyone notice that there is another 'red' area marked higher up and the central red area appears to diverge, with the top part being in line with the upper read zone later on. Is this where the booster will fall? Is the C-HGB also going to perform an exo-atmospheric diversion manoeuvre? :eek:

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It looks CB like there is a divert area, or else more than one shot. What is the significance of the purple line vice the red line to the reentry point? 3400 km vice 4450?
 
Josh_TN said:
It looks CB like there is a divert area, or else more than one shot. What is the significance of the purple line vice the red line to the reentry point? 3400 km vice 4450?
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It looks like two missiles are being fired to me but the divert area does not line up with the launch point for the upper one, so there must be a divert in space. It's fairly confusing either way TBH.

I think the purple line is just measuring to the start of the re-entry area and the red to the end. Whether this implies the C-HGB re-enters at the start and manoeuvres to the end in atmosphere or not I don't know. It could be.

I don't think you can say much about minimum range form where the stages land. That's just where they land on that launch trajectory.
 
Forest Green said:
It looks like two missiles are being fired to me but the divert area does not line up with the launch point for the upper one, so there must be a divert in space. It's fairly confusing either way TBH.

I think the purple line is just measuring to the start of the re-entry area and the red to the end. Whether this implies the C-HGB re-enters at the start and manoeuvres to the end in atmosphere or not I don't know. It could be.

I don't think you can say much about minimum range form where the stages land. That's just where they land on that launch trajectory.
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The trapezoid area starts almost a thousand miles off the Cape.

Do we know anything about the trajectory/altitude? Does the system truly enter space in the technical sense (100km)? Is there a reentry similar to a medium/intermediate ballistic missile?

Also if 4450km/2700mi is the splashdown, then the previous “1750mi” range given by the army was clearly politically motivated.
 
Actually thinking about it more - if the trajectory is truly ballistic, with the glider reentering and then maneuvering, then it should be coming down roughly in the same area as the booster until it catches enough atmosphere to pull up. That *would* mean that the minimum range was not much shorter than the booster splash down.

Alternatively, I thought that test they did with the Atlas missile in the 60s actually went horizontal rather quickly and was largely endoatmospheric. I do not know enough about aerodynamics or rocketry to understand the LRHW's trajectory. If it were flatter, I assume that would mean a second stage with a long sustainer grained motor. If it is ballistic, then I assume hard burn all the way and that the RV falls into enough atmosphere to maneuver not to far in front of the spent stage. I am not knowledgeable enough to know what kind of trajectory it has though.
 
Josh_TN said:
The trapezoid area starts almost a thousand miles off the Cape.

Do we know anything about the trajectory/altitude? Does the system truly enter space in the technical sense (100km)? Is there a reentry similar to a medium/intermediate ballistic missile?
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It would have to enter space to achieve anything like that range.
 
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The first red trapezoid looks configured to allow a stage separation for either of furthest impact zones. If that’s the case, it’s worth noting this AUP has a huge minimum range. Not surprising, but worth measuring.
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I’d think more along the lines of glide body reentry on the first shape and terminal maneuver for the second. It is not a ballistic trajectory.
 
Calphor said:
I’d think more along the lines of glide body reentry on the first shape and terminal maneuver for the second. It is not a ballistic trajectory.
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Fair enough, but would not glide body reentry if anything even more accurately indicate minimum range?
 
Josh_TN said:
Fair enough, but would not glide body reentry if anything even more accurately indicate minimum range?
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For the exoatmospheric flight paths, yes.

I'm not willing to accept that there isn't an alternative where the upper stage goes parallel to the ground like that Atlas HGV test in the 60s.
 
Scott Kenny said:
I'm not willing to accept that there isn't an alternative where the upper stage goes parallel to the ground like that Atlas HGV test in the 60s.
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Didn't the Atlas boosters reach an altitude of about 30-40 miles (After shutdown and separation of the booster engines) before they pitched over?
 
NMaude said:
Didn't the Atlas boosters reach an altitude of about 30-40 miles (After shutdown and separation of the booster engines) before they pitched over?
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February 26, 1968
"A typical BGRV flight trajectory and footprint is illustrated in Figure 12. In profile, the Atlas missile would fly to an altitude of about 130,000 feet, turn to horizontal flight to gain speed, and then would separate BGRV on a glide-path at over Mach 15 toward 110,000 foot altitude. The vehicle would spin up, establish a lifting angle of attack to offset gravity, and glide with little change in attitude, managing its energy to reach the desired destination. In the target area, programmed steering equations would take over and turn the vehicle into a terminal dive and maneuver to the intended aimpoint.

Because of its enormous kinetic energy and high L/D, BGRV could glide downrange nearly 5,000 miles or turn out of plane cross range about 2,000 miles. At altitudes near 100,000 feet, there was so little atmosphere; turns took long distances to accomplish and resulted in higher loss of energy than forward fight. The entire flight to maximum range was almost 45 minutes, about twice as long as ballistic missile transit."
 
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In profile, the Atlas missile would fly to an altitude of about 130,000 feet, turn to horizontal flight to gain speed, and then would separate BGRV on a glide-path at over Mach 15 toward 110,000 foot altitude.
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I don't know what altitude an Atlas would normally shutdown its' booster engines but at 130,000Ft (~25 miles) that would have to be right after it shut down and jettisoned the booster-engines or shut them down early. Anyway 130,000Ft for a rocket like that is a very low altitude, the aero thermal loads must've been significant.
 
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I don't know what altitude an Atlas would normally shutdown its' booster engines but at 130,000Ft (~25 miles) that would have to be right after it shut down and jettisoned the booster-engines or shut them down early. Anyway 130,000Ft for a rocket like that is a very low altitude, the aero thermal loads must've been significant.
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It flies horizontally on boost to gain speed.
 
Forest Green said:
It flies horizontally on boost to gain speed.
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It wouldn't have needed the boosters once it got that high due to a significant proportion of its LOX/RP-1 propellant would've been burned and the Atlas D (I assume it was an Atlas D) had a sustainer rocket-motor thrust of ~81,000Lb. No doubt the booster-section would've been shutdown and jettisoned to avoid over-speeding.
 

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