Current Nuclear Weapons Development

kqcke for you said:
The goal is too still have the door open where the Nato sharing system is used. That said an secondary system outside of nato could be build for user who wants it. That said sutch solution in an fast timeline would mean buying Rafales and using ASMP's. Any new weapon solution would take mutch longer und SSBNs are problematic....
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SSBNs are expensive, and there's a small number of usable bases to station them.

Air-launched or surface launched would be more viable for most of Europe.
 
Scott Kenny said:
SSBNs are expensive, and there's a small number of usable bases to station them.
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Jip. Also the amount one could get with out having problems for national security for existing user (meaning only old subs) would give ous 8 SSBNs. 4 of them would need to me modefied for M51 as i think Trident isn't available so those likely wont even be really usable as subs but more "tactical" silos. Same could be said about the other 4 french ones. Or atleast budget and person wise this would be the cheapest solution.
Scott Kenny said:
Air-launched or surface launched would be more viable for most of Europe.
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Which is where we end with buying Rafales as its doubtful for france to integreate ASMP in EF.
 
Any European solution likely means new production over a long timeframe. I doubt any NATO member has the stomach for it. Maybe Poland.
 
If Europe wants its own ICBM then it shouldn't hard to derive a missile variant of Arianespace's Vega rocket.
 
NMaude said:
If Europe wants its own ICBM then it shouldn't hard to derive a missile variant of Arianespace's Vega rocket.
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*wikidive*

Huh, mostly solid rockets with a UDMH/N2O4 top stage for orbital insertion? Yeah, that'd work as the base for an ICBM. I'd want to dump the 4th stage entirely, just because UDMH/N2O4 sucks to deal with. Install a warhead bus on top of the third stage.

Frack, I need to dig back into the staging formulas on Atomic Rockets to get an idea for top speed and max range/payload of this beast.
 
NMaude said:
I would've thought that a modified AVUM could be used as a MIRV bus.
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As I understand it, a MIRV bus is a very different thing than a satellite bus. different guidance, different release, a lot more strongly built to handle shifts in balance with large masses, then it has a weird "nudge to slightly change vector then a significant mass loss before adjusting vector again to kick out another big chunk of mass" operating cycle that is nothing like a satellite bus...

So while it might still have 4 stages, it shouldn't have the AVUM at all.

Something that can throw some 3200lbs into low orbit can throw more like 5000lbs over 12,000km. Assuming French warheads are in the same weight class as US warheads (M51 does have 6-10 warheads capability), that's at least 10 warheads, if not 12 or more.
 
Grey Havoc said:
ukdefencejournal.org.uk

UK reaffirms commitment to nuclear weapons ahead of review

The Strategic Defence Review will assess the efficiency and effectiveness of Britain’s nuclear deterrent.
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It did not elaborate on its objections to Britain's behaviour prior to the two World Wars.
While Moscow has singled out Britain for particularly severe opprobium, it has ramped up its rhetoric against the European Union and French President Emmanuel Macron in particular too, whose talk of France's nuclear arsenal as a counterpoint to a perceived Russian threat has angered the Kremlin.
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www.twz.com

France To Expand Its Nuclear Deterrent With New Air Base

Luxeuil Air Base will receive 40 new Rafales and hypersonic missiles at a time when Europe looks for ways to expand its own nuclear protections. Luxeuil Air Base will receive 40 new Rafales and hypersonic missiles as NATO nations in Europe look at ways to expand their nuclear deterrence.
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Scott Kenny said:
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Huh, mostly solid rockets with a UDMH/N2O4 top stage for orbital insertion? Yeah, that'd work as the base for an ICBM. I'd want to dump the 4th stage entirely, just because UDMH/N2O4 sucks to deal with. Install a warhead bus on top of the third stage.

Frack, I need to dig back into the staging formulas on Atomic Rockets to get an idea for top speed and max range/payload of this beast.
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It might suck, but its what the Minuteman uses for its post-boost vehicle. Well kinda, MMIII uses MMH instead of UDMH.
 
Scott Kenny said:
*wikidive*

Huh, mostly solid rockets with a UDMH/N2O4 top stage for orbital insertion? Yeah, that'd work as the base for an ICBM. I'd want to dump the 4th stage entirely, just because UDMH/N2O4 sucks to deal with. Install a warhead bus on top of the third stage.

Frack, I need to dig back into the staging formulas on Atomic Rockets to get an idea for top speed and max range/payload of this beast.
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I mean one could just Take the M51 stuff for it. Should do the trick for a quick and dirty 1th Gen ICBM to just have the ability.
 
Desertfox said:
It might suck, but its what the Minuteman uses for its post-boost vehicle. Well kinda, MMIII uses MMH instead of UDMH.
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I think Peacekeeper did as well; it allows for a wider MIRV dispersal for a given mass. USN SLBMs however were all solid motor warhead bus because the USN was not about to let hypergolics on its boats.
 
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STRATCOM Chief: Air Force Needs 145 B-21s and More New Strategic Systems

STRATCOM commander Gen. Anthony J. Cotton thinks the Air Force needs 145 B-21s, and both USAF and the Navy need more strategic systems.
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Yup the precursor to the GBSD/Sentinel was the Bush era LBSD [land not ground] that was to be ready in 2018. We’d have had a fully modernized, deployed and paid for ICBM force today.

We may never recover from the so called peace dividend amounting to about $2-3 trillion of missing weapons modernization funding the last 30+ years.
 
bobbymike said:
www.airandspaceforces.com

STRATCOM Chief: Air Force Needs 145 B-21s and More New Strategic Systems

STRATCOM commander Gen. Anthony J. Cotton thinks the Air Force needs 145 B-21s, and both USAF and the Navy need more strategic systems.
www.airandspaceforces.com www.airandspaceforces.com
Yup the precursor to the GBSD/Sentinel was the Bush era LBSD [land not ground] that was to be ready in 2018. We’d have had a fully modernized, deployed and paid for ICBM force today.

We may never recover from the so called peace dividend amounting to about $2-3 trillion of missing weapons modernization funding the last 30+ years.
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Trial them all please Elon

We could only hope Trump and the DoE brings back nukes together. Else I see no hope and we may live with decades old bombs refit with JDAM wing kits for the next 20 years.
 

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