http://youtu.be/WfL0TvQpc7E
Stingray™ said:Another photo of a possible mockup.
Matej said:Stingray™ said:Another photo of a possible mockup.
It has nothing to do with WZ-19. It is just mid 90s mockup of WZ-10 with fenestron. It was later dropped and helicopter has classic tail rotor.
Matej said:Stingray™ said:Another photo of a possible mockup.
It has nothing to do with WZ-19. It is just mid 90s mockup of WZ-10 with fenestron. It was later dropped and helicopter has classic tail rotor.
At the 9th Zhuhai Airshow held in November 2012, Aviation Industry Corporation of China formally announced the official names of WZ-10 and WZ-19 at a televised news release conference, with both attack helicopters are named after the nicknames of fictional characters in the Water Margin, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature. WZ-10 is named as Fierce Thunderbolt (Pi Li Huo, 霹靂火), the nickname of Qin Ming, while WZ-19 is named as Black Whirlwind (He Xuan Feng, 黑旋風), the nickname of Li Kui.
Triton said:From Wikipedia:
At the 9th Zhuhai Airshow held in November 2012, Aviation Industry Corporation of China formally announced the official names of WZ-10 and WZ-19 at a televised news release conference, with both attack helicopters are named after the nicknames of fictional characters in the Water Margin, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature. WZ-10 is named as Fierce Thunderbolt (Pi Li Huo, 霹靂火), the nickname of Qin Ming, while WZ-19 is named as Black Whirlwind (He Xuan Feng, 黑旋風), the nickname of Li Kui.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin_Z-19
Thought it interesting, so I thought I would share. B)
Harbin Z-19 Black Whirlwind
CAIC Z-10 Fierce Thunderbolt
chuck4 said:For some reason, I suspect the name of those helicopters lost something in the translation.
PaulMM (Overscan) said:This was revealed in 2007 on sinodefenceforum.com by a (former?) Kamov employee (http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search.php?searchid=120188)
PaulMM (Overscan) said:This was revealed in 2007 on sinodefenceforum.com by a (former?) Kamov employee (http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search.php?searchid=120188)
I have always felt the Z-10 has a Ka-50 feel to it, specifically its 'chubbyness, its quite "sharklike".
Kamov is overstating the situation a bit - they handed over a preliminary design but the detail work and redesign of various elements are all Chinese.
After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that country's government for further development, he says. Kamov did not participate in any further developmental work on the WZ-10, he insists.
Thereafter, to the country's credit, Mikheev says, the Chinese handled the rest of the developmental work. That includes the developmental prototypes and the operational aircraft that is currently in production for the Chinese military.
Helicopter WZ-10 was project KAMOV Company at 1995 year for China Army.
I worked with this helicopter in that time.
kamov company carried out the followings works:
it is
- a structurally-power chart
- arrangement
- weight calculation
- aerodynamics
The Chinese side gave the sizes of equipment and weapon, type of engines (T-700), type of cannon (Am-23), amount of members of crew and requirement to the aerodynamic chart
Kamov Company ended the draft in the period 1995-1996. Release working design documentation produced Chinese side. For 10 years the helicopter changed a lot, the other engine, gun, sighting device and much more. Draft-Russian but helicopter - Chinese - and this is a very great achievement of Chinese Industry.
Incidentally, the project has been start from scratch. The closest to him, a prototype helicopter Ka-50
The Chinese side has paid for and received the draft. In "iron", it epitomized his own. Over the 10 past years helicopter certainly changed a lot of equipment, but little has changed outwardly
similarities helicopter WZ-10 with a "Tiger" or "Mongooses" akin similarity sharks and dolphin - different family but appearance...
PaulMM (Overscan) said:Interesting factoid:
1984 - China buys S-70s with T700 engines.
1995 - China asks Kamov to make a new attack helicopter design powered by T700 engines.
Whats the betting that the original engine on Z-10 was an attempted T700 clone?
Deino said:PaulMM (Overscan) said:Interesting factoid:
1984 - China buys S-70s with T700 engines.
1995 - China asks Kamov to make a new attack helicopter design powered by T700 engines.
Whats the betting that the original engine on Z-10 was an attempted T700 clone?
Interesting and highly plausible, but - Sorry - where did I miss that note that th´si type was to be T700-powered ?
Deino
kamov company carried out the followings works:
it is
- a structurally-power chart
- arrangement
- weight calculation
- aerodynamics
The Chinese side gave the sizes of equipment and weapon, type of engines (T-700), type of cannon (Am-23), amount of members of crew and requirement to the aerodynamic chart
chuck4 said:That seems odd. I would imagine the chinese needed more help in detailed engineering than high level design. Instead they seem to have subcontracted out the high level design and did the detailed engineering themselves, which is bass ackwards.
chuck4 said:That seems odd. I would imagine the chinese needed more help in detailed engineering than high level design. Instead they seem to have subcontracted out the high level design and did the detailed engineering themselves, which is bass ackwards.
Bill Walker said:chuck4 said:That seems odd. I would imagine the chinese needed more help in detailed engineering than high level design. Instead they seem to have subcontracted out the high level design and did the detailed engineering themselves, which is bass ackwards.
I think it makes sense if you have a background in detailed helicopter design, but not in high level trade offs and specification development for a given mission (like an attack helicopter). Once you have written auseful specification, the detailed design is much like any other helicopter (or even similar to fixed wing aircraft).
PaulMM (Overscan) said:Deino said:PaulMM (Overscan) said:Interesting factoid:
1984 - China buys S-70s with T700 engines.
1995 - China asks Kamov to make a new attack helicopter design powered by T700 engines.
Whats the betting that the original engine on Z-10 was an attempted T700 clone?
Interesting and highly plausible, but - Sorry - where did I miss that note that th´si type was to be T700-powered ?
Deino
From Kamov insider posts on Sinodefenceforum:
kamov company carried out the followings works:
it is
- a structurally-power chart
- arrangement
- weight calculation
- aerodynamics
The Chinese side gave the sizes of equipment and weapon, type of engines (T-700), type of cannon (Am-23), amount of members of crew and requirement to the aerodynamic chart