Boeing Model Designations

[AM]

Sorry

This information contains only in the Appendix No.1 (in the list Boeings models)

Regards

 

[Stargazer]

Thanks AM for this update. However, the "Model 257" is a typo. Boeing model numbers were chronological at the time, and this number goes back to the 1932-33 period. It could not be "527" either, since the 500-series was reserved for engines.

So, as nugo rightly remarked, it could definitely be Model 457, described elsewhere as a ramjet-powered interceptor fighter project. The date is also perfectly compatible.

As for Model 820, it was a planned transport version of the B-52 bomber.

 

[nugo]

Hi All!

Boeing Model 422---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
Boeing Model 425---bomber, stright wing, 4 jet engine
Boeing Model 426---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
Boeing Model 446---bomber, swept wing, 4 jet engine

All predecessors of B-47

 

[Stargazer]

Hi All!

Boeing Model 422---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
Boeing Model 425---bomber, stright wing, 4 jet engine
Boeing Model 426---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
Boeing Model 446---bomber, swept wing, 4 jet engine

All predecessors of B-47

Source?

 

[nugo]

Hi Stargazer2006!

Source:
"Flying Blind: the politics of the U.S. strategic bomber program" by Michael Edward Brown.
(Cornel University Press, 1992)

page 75,76,86,87...

 

[nugo]

And..

American Secret Projects: Bombers, Attack and Anti-Submarine Aircraft 1945 to 1974.
(American Bomber Projects Summery: page 212---Model 413,424,425,426,432,444 (maybe 446),448...)

"Boeing: The Complete Story" by Alain Pelletier
page 111---Model 446

google books:
"Flying Blind: the politics of the U.S. strategic bomber program" by Michael Edward Brown.
(Cornell University Press, 1992)

 

[Stargazer]

Here is a whole set of previously unknown designations, which come from a document photocopied by fellow forum member Clioman on a visit to Boeing's archives in 1991 (more to follow in this topic, and also the related 700, 800 and 900 series topics). I've added a few that were collected elsewhere on this forum but hadn't been previously added to this thread.

Model 261 --- cancelled F4B-5 for U.S. Navy
Model 276 --- cancelled B-9B for U.S.A.A.C.
Model 285 --- cancelled P-34 (why this used the same number as a Wedell-Williams project, I couldn't say)
Model 297 --- cancelled P-29 production for U.S.A.A.C.

Model 484 --- third B-55 project (later sub-projects apparently applied to early B-59 studies)
Model 485 --- fourth B-55 project
Model 495 --- transport project for USAF competing with the Lockheed Hercules
Model 498 --- feederliner projects

 

[Stargazer]

And correction:
Model 909---not LWF fighter,
Model 909---Twin turbopropeller driven executive light transport (Book: Roskam's Airplane War Stories, by Jan Roskam, page 89 and Fig.97)

Thanks. This is one I always had trouble with. Apparently there is a "908-909" design for the LWF competition, and I figured it meant two separate studies, while in fact it was probably the "dash 909" variant of Model 908. The one you're giving as Model 909, though, is completely new to me. Any approximate date?

Model 1047---not final evolution of DYNA-SOAR---AKA Model 814-1047-1 Dyna Soar proposal

Thanks for clearing another mistake of mine. I will update my posts accordingly.

 

[Stargazer]

Current state of where we are Model numbers 200-299. If anyone can add to this (or correct, if need be), please do!

 

[AM]

Hi all!

Model 306 -four-engined ten-seat heavy bomber (1935)
Model 306A -four-engined 28-seat airliner/transport aircraft
Model 306B -single-engined single-seat fighter (1935)
Model 306C -twin-engined fighter (1935)

all has flying wing configurations

From Midland's "Secret Projects" series

 

[Antheii]

Hi,

Anybody with the Boeing model numbers for the X-45 UCAV family? Or did those still receive McDonnell-Douglas designations?

Regards,

Hans

 

[Maveric]

Boeing Model 12 (BA-12)

 

[Stargazer]

Boeing Model 12 (BA-12)

Any source for this?? I've got quite a few books and resources on Boeing but never saw this "BA-12" project!

 

[Antonio]

From "American Secret Projects: Bombers" Page 12

The starting point for Boeing's jet bomber studies was the Model 413 from the autumn of 1943, which would have been a response to the initial request for studies made in June of that year

That's the B-47 oldest ancestor...anybody has a picture of this design?

Thanks in advance,

Antonio

 

[Stargazer]

In order to provide a more precise listing of Boeing models without turning this topic into a 40-page monster, I've elected to create individual topics for the 700-, 800- and 900- series as follows:

• Boeing Model Designations: the 700 series
• Boeing Model Designations: the 800 series
• Boeing Model Designations: the 900 series

Lists will be updated in each of these topics within the next few days.
Please think of using these topics now for model designations between 700 and 999.

 

[Jemiba]

From "Aero France", May issue 1956. Not very clear, sorry, but maybe nevertheless interesting for
one or another. The B-52 is about 5 cm long on the original page.
Who's interested in the full res phot (3900 x 2700 pixels, 2.2 MB), just drop a PM.

 

[Stargazer]

What a fantastic document, Jens! I so wish it could have been scanned in a higher resolution...

 

[Jemiba]

It's on the way to you (your mailadress) in the original resolution of the photo.
Using a copy machine is forbidden for older books and volumes, as it may copy
the spine. I was quite glad, that in those volumes no pages or pictures were cut out ! :

 

[Steve Pace]

It's on the way to you (your mailadress) in the original resolution of the photo.
Using a copy machine is forbidden for older books and volumes, as it may copy
the spine. I was quite glad, that in those volumes no pages or pictures were cut out ! :

I too would love a higher res if you don't mind. Thank you! -SP stevepace43@gmail.com

 

[AM]

Hi all!

Model 364 - flying boat patrol bomber
Model 376 - ???
Model 387 - ???
Model 394 - ???
Model 398 - ???
Model 441 - single engine trainer
Model 442-1 - VSN-Class aircraft

Regards

 

[hesham]

Thank you AM,


and Model-364 was developed from XPBB-1 flying boat.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Boeing Model-332 was a four engined mid-wing tail-dragger design,with notable
B-17 features such as the original XB-17 tail assemble and gun blister,who can imagine
what was this project ?.


Boeing B-29 Superfortress by Steve Pace

 

[Mr London 24/7]

'Model 119' missing from this thread?:


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9858.0

 

[hesham]

'Model 119' missing from this thread?:


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9858.0

Hi Mr. London,


but this was related to McDonnell,not Boeing.

 

[Stargazer]

'Model 119' missing from this thread?:

but this was related to McDonnell,not Boeing.

Not to mention there must have been a good 30 years between Boeing's 100 series and McDonnell's Model 119!

"119" couldn't have been an aircraft, anyway. Boeing's 103-199 were reserved (not all used) for airfoils.

 

[Mr London 24/7]

(Sole) McDonnell 119 was in storage at the time of the Job Ad...

 

[circle-5]

Boeing Model 1050 (C-X)

 

[Stargazer]

According to Flight in their October 20, 1949 issue, Boeing was studying a mixed passenger/cargo variant of the Stratofreighter/Stratocruiser which was called the Stratocoach. Funny how Flight themselves prefer to call it a "Stratobanc" in the cutaway drawing!!!

 

[aim9xray]

For your research: an early Boeing models listing.

 

[aim9xray]

And, the last two pages.

 

[Stargazer]

I am speechless... This is a first for me and I believe for many aviation enthusiasts... I have quite a few books and resources on Boeing but never did they produce such a complete list! I cannot thank you enough for digging up that treasure, aim9xray!

 

[Stargazer]

Here is the same document in a cleaned up version for easier reference. Thanks again aim9xray for contributing this invaluable piece of aviation history!

 

[Maveric]

Good morning aim9xray !!!!
This is absolut fantastic, a day like Christmas.... THANKS for the gift :-* :-* :-*

 

[hesham]

Excellent Aim9xray,


very interesting stuff,you made my day,many thanks.

 

[hesham]

After that amazing list,


we find many mysteries,such as the Model 375 was intended for Grumman F7F-1
competition and not Model 374 and Model 213 was the bomber study and not
four-seat monoplane flying boat.

 

[Steve Pace]

Thanks so much! -SP

 

[Stargazer]

Many GREAT things in this list, indeed... such as these interesting bits (among many others):

• the Model 9 being a "Navy Boeing Giant Boat" (I would love to see this one)
• the Model 17 being an unbuilt T-3 transport (most certainly in the USAAS T-for-transport list)
• the Model 18 being an unsuccessful proposal for the NBS (Type XII Bomber) competition discussed in another thread
• the Model 19 (BSP-1) being a proposed all-metal redesign of the Navy's Curtiss TS-1
• the Model 20 being an unsuccessful amphibian proposal for the Alaskan Survey (a role taken up by the Loening OL-8A)
• The Model 51 being an amphibian to be designated OB-1, a reuse of that designation (previously used for a cancelled DH-4M variant)
• the Model 97 (which was not built and replaced by the all-metal Model 202) being designated as the XFB-5 "Pursuit & Racer"
• the Model 209 (P2B-1) being meant as a "scaled-down" PB-1 flying boat
• the Model 231 being a planned production version of the Model 221 with "longer body"
• the Model 288 being a Y1B-9A version for export
• the Model 297 being the planned production version of the YP-29
• the Model 344 Sea Ranger being the revised Vought-Sikorsky VS-301 design (I especially like this one!)
• the Models 378 to 380 being naval adaptations of the AT-15 Crewmaker as patrol/torpedo/ASW types

Worthy of notice are the four numbers that were not listed: Models 298 (we have it elsewhere as a twin-engined high wing monoplane medium bomber project), 313 (unidentified) 347 (a commercial transport study) and 376 (a single engine carrier-based fighter study for the Navy).

 

[hesham]

Worthy of notice are the four numbers that were not listed: Models 298 (we have it elsewhere as a twin-engined high wing monoplane medium bomber project), 313 (unidentified)347 (a commercial transport study) and 376 (a single engine carrier-based fighter study for the Navy).

Stargazer,


what is your source about Model 347 and Model 376 ?,you suggested that or you
had a materials for them ?.

 

[Stargazer]

what is your source about Model 347 and Model 376 ?,you suggested that or you
had a materials for them ?

I don't know! I thought I had them from this here topic. I now have all numbers from 1 to 475 — except for: 313, 430 (reportedly unused) and 438 (reportedly unused). After that I have 479-486, 490, 495, 497, 498.

 

[hesham]

Stargazer,


do you have aircraft more than this mention in this topic ?,my list from Model 387
up to Model 375 has about 50 gaps,we know only those Models;


390,391,396,399,400,401,413,417,422,424,425,426,431,432,441,442,444,446,
448,449,450,451,452,454,455,457,458,459,461,462,464,466,472,473,474,479,
480,481,482,483,484,485 & 486