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Talon Hate from what I recall is an interim solution before MAPS which will be competed.
Even if I were an F-22 driver I would not want to meet up with an F-15C in a dark alley. For it's still "Bad to the Bone!" -SPbring_it_on said:USAF puts Talon HATE to the test
The US Air Force (USAF) is currently engaged in a flight test programme for its new Talon HATE pod for the F-15C Eagle. Talon HATE is a new system designed to help integrate and enhance the relationship between its two air dominance platforms - the F-15C Eagle and the F-22 Raptor.Developed initially by the company's secretive Phantom Works as a rapid-prototyping concept, Talon HATE is a podded system that combines a covert data exchange capability with an inbuilt infrared search-and-track (IRST) sensor. It has been seen flying recently with the USAF's elite 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron (422 TES) at Nellis Air Force Base (AFB) in Nevada.
Boeing completed the final design review for Talon HATE in September 2014, although public information remains scant. Many see Talon HATE acting very much along the lines of the USAF's Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN) currently deployed on E-11A, EQ-4, and WB-57 aircraft, and essentially acting as a data relay platform for a wide range of information."The system assimilates information in real-time from multiple domains, creating an improved common operating picture for tactical awareness," said Alex Lopez, vice president, Advanced Network and Space Systems at Boeing Phantom Works.
One of the major limitations of the F-22 is its inability to communicate covertly with other aircraft types, although the F-22 features an intra-flight datalink (IFDL) that enables the aircraft to exchange data within a formation of F-22 aircraft.
Similarly, the F-22's Increment 3.2A spiral upgrade added Link 16, but only as a receive-only terminal because the non-stealthy Link-16 with its omnidirectional emissions could reveal the aircraft's location.
However, under programme director Sean Rice, the Talon HATE project has integrated the F-22's IFDL with the proven Multifunctional Information Distribution System-JTRS (MIDS-J) system. MIDS-J serves as a host for multiple concurrent communications waveforms that are essential for Talon HATE operations, with Talon HATE essentially receiving and translating the F-22 data and processing it for redistribution on MIDS/Link 16 waveforms to other friendly aircraft.Four engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) pods are thought to be on contract for ACC. The first public sighting of an Eagle carrying Talon HATE was in December 2015 when 422 TES F-15C serial 83-026/OT passed through Fort Worth, Texas. Another F-15C (82-022) has also been seen active at Nellis AFB in 2016.
Despite calls to re-start F-22 production, the reality is that the F-15C is needed to help meet long-term USAF air superiority needs, and will need to work closely with the F-22.
A smooth method of covertly exchanging data between the F-22 and F-15C will have many benefits. The new system should allow the F-22 to disperse data from two of its most sophisticated sensors: the AN/APG-77 radar and AN/ALR-94 electronic warfare system, a capability hitherto seemed impossible. Meanwhile, the F-15C's new AN/APG-63(V)3 AESA radar offers extremely long-range detection.
In addition, the new IRST sensor on the Talon HATE pod will enable the F-15C pilot to transmit both long-range radar and IRST data to the F-22, increasing its detection capabilities and decreasing reliance on its own sensors - thereby helping it to remain undetected. The ability to passively relay target data forward to the F-22s will mean they only break cover when they have to release a weapon. Conversely, the F-22s will be able to act as a passive sensor for missile-laden F-15Cs.
https://youtu.be/xGY2JBuSCU0
TomS said:Enlarged hardpoints too -- one shot shows it with 16 AMRAAM (2 each on the outers, four each on the inners, plus the four shoulder stations). [First seen on the F-15SA.]
The later air-to-ground configuration has some new weapons -- SLAM-ER is new, I believe. I think it also has SDBs directly on shoulder stations.
The FAST packs may be a slightly different in shape as well.
fightingirish said:Advanced F-15 (2040c) Air Superiority Fighter
New add by Boeing showing an upgraded F-15.
The F-15 Eagle has been in service with the USAF for more than four decades, and with only about 200 operating alongside approximately 180 Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors there is a near-term lack of pure air superiority aircraft capacity.
bobbymike said:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/americas-f-15-fighter-will-soon-carry-double-the-amount-17384
fightingirish said:IMHO the article means the J-11B and and its modern versions like the J-11D.
As an example, the report said that in the 1980s, the US F-15 was vastly superior to the Chinese equivalent – the J-10. However, Chinese technical advances in recent years have considerably narrowed that gap to the point where the Chinese J-10 is now roughly comparable to the US F-15, the report explained.
Sundog said:Yeah, it makes sense, based on this paragraph;
As an example, the report said that in the 1980s, the US F-15 was vastly superior to the Chinese equivalent – the J-10. However, Chinese technical advances in recent years have considerably narrowed that gap to the point where the Chinese J-10 is now roughly comparable to the US F-15, the report explained.
The J-10 didn't even exist in the 80's.
Airplane said:Has anyone done a cost comparison of the costs of upgrading and keeping the Eagles flying and relevant as compared to the costs of what would have been spent to procure another 100 F-22s? What a gigantic waste of money it is to upgrade 25 year old airframes when a better solution was already in production. I would rather have another 100 F-22s than a couple hundy upgraded F-15s.
And add the cost of attrition in a possible near peer aerial war? How many non-stealthy F-15s would be lost as compared to F-22s?sferrin said:Airplane said:Has anyone done a cost comparison of the costs of upgrading and keeping the Eagles flying and relevant as compared to the costs of what would have been spent to procure another 100 F-22s? What a gigantic waste of money it is to upgrade 25 year old airframes when a better solution was already in production. I would rather have another 100 F-22s than a couple hundy upgraded F-15s.
Nobody ever accused politicians of being intelligent.
bobbymike said:And add the cost of attrition in a possible near peer aerial war? How many non-stealthy F-15s would be lost as compared to F-22s?sferrin said:Airplane said:Has anyone done a cost comparison of the costs of upgrading and keeping the Eagles flying and relevant as compared to the costs of what would have been spent to procure another 100 F-22s? What a gigantic waste of money it is to upgrade 25 year old airframes when a better solution was already in production. I would rather have another 100 F-22s than a couple hundy upgraded F-15s.
Nobody ever accused politicians of being intelligent.
sferrin said:Airplane said:Has anyone done a cost comparison of the costs of upgrading and keeping the Eagles flying and relevant as compared to the costs of what would have been spent to procure another 100 F-22s? What a gigantic waste of money it is to upgrade 25 year old airframes when a better solution was already in production. I would rather have another 100 F-22s than a couple hundy upgraded F-15s.
Nobody ever accused politicians of being intelligent.
Triton said:Was the study ever released that the House of Representatives requested back in April of this year concerning the cost of restarting F-22 production?
I welcome the news, however, no matter how many times I read this:NeilChapman said:http://fox6now.com/2016/09/02/u-s-air-force-investing-12-billion-in-upgrading-1980s-era-f-15-fighter-jets/
435 F-15's to be upgraded.
1. Is there a more definitive list of what's included in the upgrade? This article is not too specific.
2. Where is the work going to take place?
3. What is the rate of production?
Thx!
The Air Force initially planned to replace the entire F-15 fleet with the fifth-generation F-22 Raptor, but production of the stealthy aircraft was halted in 2009 and only 188 of the 749 F-22s purchased by the Pentagon were ever produced.
NeilChapman said:http://fox6now.com/2016/09/02/u-s-air-force-investing-12-billion-in-upgrading-1980s-era-f-15-fighter-jets/
435 F-15's to be upgraded.
1. Is there a more definitive list of what's included in the upgrade? This article is not too specific.
2. Where is the work going to take place?
3. What is the rate of production?
Thx!
3. What is the rate of production?
Boeing anticipates receiving a follow-on EPAWSS contract from the Air Force in September 2016 for the EMD, integration and test phase of the program. This will be followed by a low rate initial production (LRIP) phase currently anticipated for August 2019. As Moore notes, "EPAWSS is an Acquisition Category 1 program (a program over $2 billion), so we go through an extensive acquisition process and must pass through each of the Air Force's milestone gates to proceed into the next phase." In the LRIP phase, 24 F-15E model aircraft and 18 F-15C model aircraft will be modified. The remaining aircraft will be upgraded in the full-rate production phase with, ultimately, over 400 F-15E and F-15C model aircraft to be equipped with the new system. Initial Operational Capability (IOC) is targeted for 2021 for E-model aircraft, and late 2022 for C-models.
That picture shows 16 missiles I wonder (from my post one up from yours) where the extra 6 missiles would go in a 22 missile configuration?flateric said:http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-09-22/boeing-proposes-new-life-lethality-f-15c-fighter
TomS said:Possibly on the outer wing hardpoints, which are not currently used in the C model
sferrin said:TomS said:Possibly on the outer wing hardpoints, which are not currently used in the C model
Weren't there structural problems that eliminated the use of those two pylons? (Similar to the reason 4 tanks are never carried on the F-22 despite that being the intent.)
Airplane said:Has anyone done a cost comparison of the costs of upgrading and keeping the Eagles flying and relevant as compared to the costs of what would have been spent to procure another 100 F-22s? What a gigantic waste of money it is to upgrade 25 year old airframes when a better solution was already in production. I would rather have another 100 F-22s than a couple hundy upgraded F-15s.