Bartini Postwar Projects

[sienar]

Just compare
A-57 cross-section from technical descriptin.

From forscoming Bartini Aircraft Vol. 1-4

Best regards to all.

What are those gradient triangles in the fuselage? Lights?

 

[ucon]

YES

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Hi,

the AL-40 was nuclear powered hydroplane of the 1960s,and look for this
strange concept of 1936.

lesser known/experimental aircraft

I know this is probably really dumb but... what does the Channelwing do?

www.ww2aircraft.net

The drawing shows a 1936 plane, not the AL-40 nuclear powered seaplane. Anyone have drawings or specs for the AL-40 nuclear powered flying boat.

 

[robertino]

I'm looking for information on the following models
A-58
Al-40
MDR (Морской Дальний rазведчик) 1,2 and 3
R 53.6K
R-AL
STAL-5
T-107
T-108
T-118
T-203
T-210
T-500

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ludvigovich_Bartini - no information here

p.s. since I'm from Rijeka where Bartini is from and I'm interested in everything about him

 

[hesham]

My dear Robertino,

for AL-40 please see reply # 35,and for A-58 please see reply # 77,and for STAL-5 please see;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/stal-5-khb-as-a-chemical-fighter.8765/

and from a Russian book about Bartini;

The last prison design bureau project proposed in 1947 became a heavy military transport twin-beam and two-
fins aircraft T-200, according to the scheme,close to the T-117, - a high-wing aircraft with a large fuselage, the
contours of which were formed by a wing profile. The Novocherkassk Polytechnic Institute even built a test
bench to verify the proposed technical solutions.The rear of the fuselage, formed by the wing profile, opened
up and down between the two tail beams, and opened a passage five wide and three high meters for loading
bulky goods and equipment.A combined power plant was proposed, including two piston star-shaped four-
row engine (apparently ASH-2) with a capacity of 2800 hp and couples turbojet RD-45F thrust of 2270 kgs
located in common with piston nacelle motors. At the junction of the fuselage with the wing of its chord,
it reached 5.5 meters,and for continuous flow around the bearing surface in the T-210 version provided
boundary layer management.In 1952, Bartini was developing a flying boat T-203, and even more grandiose
was a project of a two-fins T-217 aircraft with four turboprop engines and strut high wing type "reverse gull".
But they are all so remained on paper.

For T-107,T-108 & T-210,a small Info.

 

[robertino]

thank you very much

what book is that?

 

[robunos]

It's either "Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft 1875-1995", or "Aircraft of the Soviet Union", both by Bill Gunston . . .

cheers,
Robin.

 

[hesham]

It's either "Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft 1875-1995", or "Aircraft of the Soviet Union", both by Bill Gunston . . .

That's it my dear Robertino,

and for the Russian book; великий бартини воланд советской авиации

 

[ucon]

I'm looking for information on the following models
A-58
Al-40
MDR (Морской Дальний rазведчик) 1,2 and 3
R 53.6K
R-AL
STAL-5
T-107
T-108
T-118
T-203
T-210
T-500

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ludvigovich_Bartini - no information here

p.s. since I'm from Rijeka where Bartini is from and I'm interested in everything about him

T-203 never existed, it is designatiob of wind tube. For another projects - pm me

 

[ucon]

I'm looking for information on the following models
A-58
Al-40
MDR (Морской Дальний rазведчик) 1,2 and 3
R 53.6K
R-AL
STAL-5
T-107
T-108
T-118
T-203
T-210
T-500

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ludvigovich_Bartini - no information here

p.s. since I'm from Rijeka where Bartini is from and I'm interested in everything about him

T-203 never existed, it is designation of wind tube. For another projects - pm me

 

[hesham]

T-203 never existed, it is designatiob of wind tube. For another projects - pm me

Thank you my dear Ucon,

and do you have a drawings to T-210,T-108 & R-AL ?.

 

[ucon]

T-203 never existed, it is designatiob of wind tube. For another projects - pm me

Thank you my dear Ucon,

and do you have a drawings to T-210,T-108 & R-AL ?.

Yes, I have dear Hesham.

 

[riggerrob]

Was Bartini T-107 the first Russian airplane with a cargo ramp under the tail?

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Anyways, from what I've read, the Bartini-Beriev VVA-14 was built as a response to the United State's Polaris-armed submarines. The aircraft could fly normally, but could also transition into the Ground Effect and fly as if it were an ekronoplan. Some sources also state that the aircraft could take-off vertically, however, I don't believe that it was capable of doing so.

Cheers,

Wyvern

 

[Vasily41]

Actually the VVA-14 was designed to have VTOL capability, but the lift engines were not delivered in time for the tests.

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Actually the VVA-14 was designed to have VTOL capability, but the lift engines were not delivered in time for the tests.

I never knew that, thanks!

 

[PlanesPictures]

VVA-14 position of lift engines

 

[gabrielorosco]

Nice video about Bartini T-217, with never seen images, in cooperation with ucon:

 

[nuuumannn]

VVA-14 at Monino before they mowed the lawns...

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Great Picture!

 

[gabrielorosco]

Another video I prepared in partnership with Ucon (Konstantin Udalov). This time the Bartini VVA-14, with some new content.

 

[ucon]

From le Fana 293,

here is some Batini aircraft and Projects,the mystery in picture # 3,and whole known
airplanes from him is in # 4.

In the middle is OVA-62 project (with two engines) and PVA-62 (with four engines). There were some another projects on base MVA-62. One of the interesting was MVA-62T with passangers inside floats.

 

[gabrielorosco]

Hi to all!
Ucon (Konstantin Udalov) and I just created a Facebook group devoted to Bartini's projects. We will post many drawings, pictures and documents about his work. It is another good place for discussion about this subject. You are all invited!!

 

[PlanesPictures]

Hi to all!
Ucon (Konstantin Udalov) and I just created a Facebook group devoted to Bartini's projects. We will post many drawings, pictures and documents about his work. It is another good place for discussion about this subject. You are all invited!!

you have an error in the text - "Aircrtaft ...

 

[gabrielorosco]

Hi to all!
Ucon (Konstantin Udalov) and I just created a Facebook group devoted to Bartini's projects. We will post many drawings, pictures and documents about his work. It is another good place for discussion about this subject. You are all invited!!

you have an error in the text - "Aircrtaft ...

Thanks!

 

[hesham]

From, Экранопланы (Техника и вооружение),

was that T-501 belong to Bartini or not ?.

 

[Cy-27]

My notes have it as a Grunin design built in Kaliningrad in 1982 with a large chunk of design work performed by MIIGA students.

Wingspan: 9.0 m
Length: 8.8 m
Wing area: 17.0 m2
Empty weight: 580 kg
Flight weight: 660 t
Engines: 1x Neptune-23
Crew: 2

Sources:

Экраноплан T-501

Экспериментальный экраноплан T-501. - Российская авиация

Экспериментальный экраноплан T-501. :: Экспериментальный экраноплан T-501. Разработчик: Грунин Страна: СССР Первый полет: 1982 г. В 1976 году на Калининградской станции юных техников (под

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[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Bartini's designs never fail to impress and intrigue. Shows you how talented he was as an aircraft designer.

 

[hesham]

From Kryl'ya Rodine 2020-9/10,

T-217.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Bartini-Beriev VVA-14: It’s weird not to be weird.

This beast was designed by the Italian expatriate Robert Bartini to hunt Polaris subs. Sometimes erroneously called an “Ekranoplan”, the VVA-14 was in fact a Type C WIG “Ekranolyo…

elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com

 

[blackkite]

Hi! T-200.
https://antonkachinskiy.livejournal.com/29910.html
"The T-200 did not reach the manufacturing stage, which could be for the better, as it would hardly have been possible to bring it, and aviation during its creation developed so quickly that by the time of its first flight it would have become obsolete.

The T-200 is a transport aircraft project, to some extent a development of the previous project - the T-117. However, it is also an indirect descendant of the German transport aircraft of the time WW2 - Arado -232. The report on this aircraft was released in 1944, and Bartini seems to have read it, and borrowed from there the border layer control system. But it's not all relatives of the T-200. The aircraft was to install the fuselage in the form of a wing profile. The idea was that it would create a lifting force, and in addition, the large size of the width contributed to the placement of large cargoes. At least that's what it was in theory. But on the practice built aircraft of such a scheme usually flew badly ..."

 

[athpilot]

More T-217.
From this site: https://raigap.livejournal.com/834354.html

 

[athpilot]

Some more Bartini projects. I love Bartini designs!
From this book: http://ivak.spb.ru/fan/books/krasnye-samolyoty-dolzhny-letat-bystree-chyornyx.html

 

[athpilot]

Seems more Bartini Books are coming to town...: https://4s-info.ru/2021/01/19/v-fevrale-vyjdut-v-svet-eshhe-dva-toma-knigi-o-roberto-bartini/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Stal-7.
https://coollib.com/b/290265/read

 

[Grey Havoc]

Bartini-Beriev VVA-14: Тысячелетний сокол.

With that kind of cockpit and its sort of smashed hamburger fuselage…..

elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Mustard's new video about the VVA-14

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD7xiWWs-bs&ab_channel=Mustard

 

[hesham]

From Old Russian book about Bartini.

 

[hesham]

I'm looking for information on the following models
A-58
Al-40
MDR (Морской Дальний rазведчик) 1,2 and 3
R 53.6K
R-AL
STAL-5
T-107
T-108
T-118
T-203
T-210
T-500

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ludvigovich_Bartini - no information here

p.s. since I'm from Rijeka where Bartini is from and I'm interested in everything about him

T-203 never existed, it is designatiob of wind tube. For another projects - pm me

My dear Ucon,

the T-203 was mentioned in the book,Unflown Wings ?!.

 

[flateric]

the T-203 was mentioned in the book,Unflown Wings ?!.

and what? you are talking of it like of Tablets of Stone
there are hundreds mistakes or myths given as truth in it