Bartini Postwar Projects

[Retrofit]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Hi, Retrofit)
This photo circulates from my archiev, so if you need big sized just let me know.
Best regards

Ooops, sorry ucon! I didn't know about its origin.

What final status was reached by this incredible project?

 

[Tophe]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Round the world (via both Poles) record aircraft. 1945-1947 project.

Do you mean a round-the-World record without stop, decades before the Voyager?
Wonderful twin-boomer anyway, thanks! ;D

 

[Stargazer]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Amazing project! It looks like it could be Burt Rutan's brainchild, not like a 65-year-old design! Just love it.

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Bartini E-57 supersonic jet-liner. 1957. E means Europe.
Compare with Heinkel-211B-1 four years later.
Source: technical description of E-57.

 

[Tophe]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Thanks Ucon for having revealed it. Now, I can show the drawing I made of it:

(for my Web site about twin-boomers 1939-45 http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/update_FG.htm
, as the first drawing seems dated 1945 even if the project continued till 1947)

 

[boxkite]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

@ucon,

please give us some more details on this book/brochure:

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Bartini T-6 agrycultural WIG project

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Bartini T-20 project

 

[hesham]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

My dear Ucon,


could you please tell us about the project T-20,I think it was WIG aircraft,and if you have any drawing
to Bartini T-203 variable swept wing aircraft.

 

[Stargazer]

Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.

I'm afraid that's the T-107, not the T-117. Here's a better version of it:

 

[hesham]

Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.

I'm afraid that's the T-107, not the T-117. Here's a better version of it:

May be Stargazer.

 

[Maveric]

Yep, I´m with Stargazer2006: It´s the T.107

 

[lark]

Star.. is closest I think.

The 117 design had a tripple horizontal lobe fuselage.

 

[Stargazer]

Yeah, and the 107 designation wasn't my own speculation, anyway... it was the caption to the image from the original Russian magazine in which I found it.

 

[igor-mich]

At the beginning of this thread on the first page is the answer to your riddle. This T-117, which was the building but due to lack of engines was not up in the air

 

[Stargazer]

At the beginning of this thread on the first page is the answer to your riddle. This T-117, which was the building but due to lack of engines was not up in the air

I'm afraid you misread the first post. What is said there is clear:

T-107 - 1945 passenger airliner
T-117 Kit (Whale)- 1947 military transport project

As the image clearly shows a passenger transport, it can only be the T-107...

 

[igor-mich]

Are you familiar with the notion of a multi-purpose aircraft. So in the construction of a transport version and had the T-117. The figure is one of the variants of T-117

 

[lark]

See : Flateric's post in the first page of this thread
and compare...

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Some drawings from technical description of Bartini A-2500 ekranoplane

length - 183 м
width - 129 м
height - 48 м

 

[Stargazer]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Very nice ucon, as usual...

This "2500" was studied while under Beriev, right? But are the more recent Be-2500 proposals related to the Bartini KB in any way?

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Beriev 2500 and Bartini 2500 are not equal, Stargazer))

 

[Stargazer]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Beriev 2500 and Bartini 2500 are not equal, Stargazer))

I know that! Allow me to rephrase my question:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Some Bartini projects were developed while Bartini worked for Beriev. Did Beriev develop the "2500" when he was still at Beriev, and can it be considered both as a Bartini AND a Beriev? Or was it developed after that?*
[*]Is the current Be-2500 (which is also a WIG) derived in any way from Bartini's work?
[/list]

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

1. А-500, A-2000, A-2500 were startarted in Novossibirsk, then continue in Ukhtomka and OKB-86
2. Yes

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Some not well-known Bartini porojects from early 70-ies

 

[Retrofit]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Bartini E-57 supersonic jet-liner. 1957. E means Europe.
Compare with Heinkel-211B-1 four years later.
Source: technical description of E-57.

Dear ucon,
Was this E-57 supersonic jet-liner equiped with a delta wing without tailplane? (it is difficult to see on the photo)

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Dear Retrofit,
yes, you are right.
Hope to provide soon some more info o this project

 

[Tuomasn]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Some not well-known Bartini porojects from early 70-ies

Thank you, ucon. Any chance of having the designations/descriptions to those numbers?

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Some more Bartini projects


Dear Meteorit! Just to avoid any mistakes I will post Bartini's designations after making full order in my archiev)

 

[foiling]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

These are amazing; big thanks Ucon.

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Development of some VVA-14 variants

 

[PlanesPictures]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Ou, ou....

 

[hesham]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Development of some VVA-14 variants

Very cool my dear Ucon,thank you.

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Hi all!
Four pix of two original Bartini models
VVA-14 and T-500 WIG

 

[hesham]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Very nice Models my dear Ucon.

 

[ucon]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Bartini Stal-7 model

 

[Stargazer]

Re: Unknown Bartini projects

Some amazing models here, ucon... Are they part of a museum's collection?

 

[Johnbr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FMjPgWOQdw

 

[hesham]

Hi,


was this a real project to Bartini ?,I mean the AWACS variant.


http://alternathistory.org.ua/ekranoplan-t-proekt-bartini-1974g

 

[Stargazer]

Only ucon would know for sure... but he doesn't seem to be roaming the forum much these days...

 

[igor-mich]

Hi,


was this a real project to Bartini ?,I mean the AWACS variant.


http://alternathistory.org.ua/ekranoplan-t-proekt-bartini-1974g

Well, carefully read as called site alternathistory.org.ua. Here the guys fantasize and this is not a historical fact and fiction.