Avro CF-105 Arrow and its variants

[fightingirish]

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Avro CF-105 "Arrow" Aircraft Preliminary Progress Report - 1957 Educational Documentary
Mock-ups, models, and early design tests of a Canadian advanced interceptor aircraft.

The Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow was a delta-winged interceptor aircraft designed and built by Avro Canada. The Arrow is considered to have been an advanced technical and aerodynamic achievement for the Canadian aviation industry. The CF-105 (Mark 2) held the promise of near-Mach 2 speeds at altitudes of 50,000 feet (15,000 m) and was intended to serve as the Royal Canadian Air Force's (RCAF) primary interceptor in the 1960s and beyond.

On 20 February 1959, the development of the Arrow and its Iroquois engines was abruptly halted before the project review had taken place. Two months later, the assembly line, tooling, plans and existing airframes and engines were ordered to be destroyed. The cancellation was the topic of considerable political controversy at the time, and the subsequent destruction of the aircraft in production remains a topic for debate among historians and industry pundits. Officially, the reason given for the destruction order from cabinet and the chiefs of staff was to destroy classified and "secret" materials used in the Arrow and Iroquois programs. The action has been attributed to Royal Canadian Mounted Police fears that a Soviet "mole" had infiltrated Avro, later confirmed to some degree in the Mitrokhin archives.

View: https://youtu.be/dG031_iPGI4

https://youtu.be/dG031_iPGI4

Dear mods, if someone else posted this video before, please delate this post!

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

NACA Research Memorandum

LONGITUDINAL AND LATERAL STABILITY, CONTROL CHARACTERISTICS, AND VERTICAL-TAIL-LOAD MEASUREMENTS FOR 0.03-SCALE MODEL OF THE AVRO CF-105 AIRPLANE AT MACH NUMBER 1.41

Longitudinal and Lateral Stability, Control Characteristics, and Vertical-Tail-Load Measurements for 0.03-Scale Model of the Avro CF-105 Airplane at Mach Number 1.41 - NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS)

An investigation has been made in the Langley 4- by 4-foot supersonic pressure tunnel at a Mach number of 1.41 to determine the aerodynamic characteristics of an 0.03-scale model of the Avro CF-105 airplane. The investigation included the determination of the static longitudinal and lateral...

ntrs.nasa.gov

 

[Stargazer]

if there is a mass migration of Canucks, they're bring their problems with them, and we'll soon be overrun with wendols and poutine and Celine Dion.

;D ;D ;D

Browsing his stuff I found a "Korean British AVRO Vulcan Reference Book"
Wow, the little-known Korean British Avro Vulcan.

More like a Korean "British Avro Vulcan" Reference Book to me...

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

No..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Korean-British-AVRO-Vulcan-Reference-Book-/221894469904?hash=item33a9f0e910:g:SMkAAOSwHjNWAwv~

I *think* given he has labelled other stuff as "WW2" and "Post WW2" he is thinking Vulcan is a Korean war era aeroplane. Well, the prototype did first fly in 1952 and the Korean war dragged on to 1953, but I really can't see how that makes it "Korean War era" when it didn't enter service until 3 years after the war ended.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

Avro Museum - Drawings

AVRO MUSEUM

www.avromuseum.com

Arrow Ⅱ project.

http://www.avromuseum.com/yearly-status-report.html

http://www.avromuseum.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18390559/masterplan2014.pdf

http://www.avromuseum.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18390559/arrow_2_specs_with_pics.pdf

http://www.avromuseum.com/uploads/1/8/3/9/18390559/2015_arrow_ii_spec_form.pdf

 

[blackkite]

Full scale replica is here.

Canadian Air and Space Conservancy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Part of the Canadian Air & Space Museum’s Collection Transfered to Storage

Part of the Canadian Air & Space Museum's Collection Transfered to Storage Pending New Museum Opening

www.warbirdsnews.com

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
The Avro Arrow: A Picture History, Lawrence Miller

The Avro Arrow: A Picture History

When the magnificent new Avro Arrow fighter jet thundered into the sky over Malton, Ontario on a cold March morning in 1958, Canada's aviation scientists, designers, and pilots were the best in the world. Less than a year later the Arrow project was dead. What happened? The story of the Avro...

books.google.co.jp

 

[Petrus]

You may find it interesting, for it contains info (incl. drawings) of C104 versions, details of CF-105 and even info on planned infrastructure at RCAF bases.

https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-AvroCanadaCF-105Arrownose.pdf

Piotr

 

[hesham]

You may find it interesting, for it contains info (incl. drawings) of C104 versions, details of CF-105 and even info on planned infrastructure at RCAF bases.

https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-AvroCanadaCF-105Arrownose.pdf

Piotr

Amazing find my dear Pertrus.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Source : AIR ENTHUSIAST 89.

 

[Petrus]

Here you've got what the Flight magazine wrote on the Arrow in 1957.

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1957/1957%20-%201559.html

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

[RANT] No Virgina... The Arrow isn't the best fighter for Canada. (But it could be something else...)

It seems that every few weeks, another discussion comes up on the BF4C Facebook group regarding the Avro Arrow. More specifically, tha...

bestfighter4canada.blogspot.jp

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

How the Avro Arrow was built.(Video)

http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/how-the-avro-arrow-was-built

Construction and unveiling of the Arrow(Video).

http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/construction-and-unveiling-of-the-arrow-no-audio

Iroquois engine rollout.(Picture)

Iroquois Rollout

Iroquois Rollout celebrates 45 years of Iroquois engine manufacture and rollout on July 22, 1957. The Iroquois was the lightest, highest-thrust jet engine of the day. Many innovations were developed by Charles Grinyer and his staff, not least of which was the extensive use of titanium...

issuu.com

Side view source, Missiles : 8 Hughes Falcon or 4 Douglas Sparrow Ⅱs(Cancelled).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fhm-i5ol8CA/UMZIDXgT5LI/AAAAAAAAAyk/1HbDxQYqsN0/s1600/profil.jpg

Control panel.

The Avro Arrow

http://www.simulshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=545

Boundary layer control.

Scratch build Avro Arrow - Page 8 - RC Groups

Page 8-Build Log Scratch build Avro Arrow Electric Ducted Fan Jet Talk

www.rcgroups.com

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-KrLvO3IpY

 

[Petrus]

And this picture (from the document referred to at http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,729.msg303325.html#msg303325) explains why the canopies of the Arrow's cockpit opened in such an extraordinary way. The crew apparently would get into the cockpit not from below, using ladders (as in many other jet-fighters), but rather from above, coming to the place via the catwalk leading from the crew-room at the 'Q shed' (as it is called in the RAF).



Piotr

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Arrow Mk.1 diagram.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fZeYC-QUMuU/U_wCZ5_zjfI/AAAAAAAAEC4/InBVEXsogdw/s1600/Avro-Arrow-diagram.jpg

 

[royabulgaf]

I was wondering about the canopy lately. What is the advantage of getting into the aircraft from the catwalk in the Q shed versus a ladder? When they have to get out, does the ground crew have to back the aircraft into the shed? OK, I get that you save a few seconds but the rest of the time it would be a pain in the ass. You also get one more canopy seam to seal.

 

[Grey Havoc]

With regards as to the Arrow replica that used to be at the (currently closed) Canadian Air and Space museum: http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66829

 

[Archibald]

Wait, the aviation museum of Canada has closed ?

 

[TomS]

Wait, the aviation museum of Canada has closed ?

The Canadian Air And Space Museum in Toronto closed in 2011. The Canadian Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa is still open.

 

[Archibald]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Johnbr]

Vertical take-off Avro Arrow, A.V. Roe Canada Ltd., 1958.

 

[Johnbr]

Two more.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98353311@N00/page108

Avro Arrow CF-105 Ejection seat Found in UK!

Has the Missing Avro Arrow Mystery been solved...? Avro Arrow CF-105 Ejection seat Serial Number 11 Now available For Sale. Jet Art Aviation LTD Brings yo

www.jetartaviation.co.uk

 

[TomS]

I'm not seeing the VTOL here. Zero-length launch just refers to the use of Rocket assist and a launch rail to get a basically conventional aircraft airborne without a runway. Landing would still require a strip of some sort.

 

[hesham]

Vertical take-off and landing Avro Arrow, A.V. Roe Canada Ltd., 1958.

Nice find John,and I displayed some of them in reply # 82.

 

[blackkite]

Thanks.

Hi!

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/398850110741480449/

 

[Archibald]

Okay so some words about that connexion between the Arrow and France (Dassault). I checked on google books and now the picture gets clearer. Dassault considered the PS.13 Iroquois TWICE
- for the Mirage IVB, the fat Mirage IV that didn't needed KC-135s
And another time, before that date.
The Mirage III was frozen around the Atar 9 early 1957 but the twin Atar 9 Mirage IVA took two more years.

Between these two dates the Mirage IV design somewhat "floated" around three major designs
- a twin Atar 9 heavy fighter the size of a Phantom - the AdA said "no thanks = the fighter is the Mirage III, the two-atar will become a bomber > Mirage IV-01 and IV-A
- the Mirage IVB monster
- a single-engine fighter with only ONE engine - a scaled-up Mirage III called the Mirage IVC which encompassed both F-106 and Phantom, single and two seater, one or two engine.
Well, that's where the Iroquois enters the picture. Dassault, quite simply, wanted his own... F-106. A scaled-up Mirage IIIC that would need 9 to 12 tons of thrust. The Iroquois was right there. SNECMA was nowhere to be found.
What is quite interesting is to think that between 1956 and 1960 the Mirage III family encompassed many sizes - broadly > FD-2, F-106, Arrow, TSR-2, and B-58 in size and weights.

imagine, if the Arrow had been canned yet SNECMA had rescued Orenda and taken a licence for the Iroquois... hostie de callisse de chrisse, tabernacle, how cool would that be...

 

[GTX]

- a single-engine fighter with only ONE engine - a scaled-up Mirage III called the Mirage IVC which encompassed both F-106 and Phantom, single and two seater, one or two engine.
Well, that's where the Iroquois enters the picture. Dassault, quite simply, wanted his own... F-106. A scaled-up Mirage IIIC that would need 9 to 12 tons of thrust. The Iroquois was right there.

That would be an interesting design. Do you have any more information?

 

[Archibald]

Maybe I have a picture in one of Jean Cuny book from the 80's... there must be further pictures in all those recent, fabulous books about Mirages.

My earlier phrase was unclear. I wanted to say the Mirage IVC existed in both single-engine (bigger Mirage IIIC) and two-engine (small Mirage IVA) variants. The former would have been F-106 like, the later was more like a Phantom, except with delta wing. Smaller than the Arrow which really huge.
It was really a bridge between the III-C and the IV-A.

attached some pages of Cuny books related to the varied Mirage IV, the naval one included.

 

[edwest4]

It doesn't contain drawings but the book, Requiem for a Giant by Palmiro Campagna, exposes the decision to cancel the Arrow. Apparently, the US convinced Canada to not buy, or build, l,ocal.

 

[riggerrob]

Since blueprints fade fast - when exposed to sunlight. - they should make high-resolution copies SOON and spread them around the internet.

 

[hesham]

From the book, The Avro Arrow,for the record.

 

[Mike Pryce]

The record-breaking jet which still haunts a country

A decade after World War Two, Canada built a jet which pushed technology to its limits. But its demise showed why smaller nations found it difficult to compete in the Jet Age.

www.bbc.com

 

[uk 75]

With its big weapons bay could the Arrow have carried the big Hughes missile developed for the YF12A?
Although it was not possible in real life the Arrow looks so right in the early 60s high visibility RAF Lightning squadron colours. Some years ago I had couple of 1/72 scale kits made up for me in those colours. They are in store at the moment.

 

[Archibald]

I wish I could find a detailed account about the CF-105 Arrow analog FBW - how and who invented that, and its legacy (IMHO, it went into the Mercury and Gemini capsules). Was there any relation to the Concorde system (1969) ?

Incidentally, were Dynasoar controls full analog FBW ?

In Computers take flight, the author(s) made very clear nobody knew about the Arrow in 1971. Both NASA or USAF modifying Crusaders or Phantoms into FBW laboratories, were unaware of that previous achievement.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/182985main_DFBW_rev1.pdf

(page 32, 47, 62, 80 )

 

[Archibald]

With its big weapons bay could the Arrow have carried the big Hughes missile developed for the YF12A?

Yes. I've compared them 15 years ago, and they matches.
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-47.html has AIM-47 length at slightly less than 13 ft, the Arrow bay was 16 ft. As for width, it could have carried two side by side. Three would be too tightly packled.

When I made my Hobbycraft Arrow in Imperial Iran (= Tomcat) AF livery, I dug small recesses into the CF-105 belly and put 4*AIM-47 there - two fore, two aft. There is length aplenty - the bird was HUGE. Wing pylons would be for drop tanks with Sparrows or Sidewinders on side pylons.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/Archibaldlecter/IRIAF%20Arrow/IRIAFCF-105.jpg

 

[uk 75]

The inspiration for my RAF Lightning scheme models came from here (I know it should be posted in the model section but I think the RAF livery on the model is more realistic than the camo version used in recent books and articles featuring the RAF version

https://www.arcair.com/Fea1/201-300/Fea266-Arrow-Medcalf/00.shtm

 

[Archibald]

Did anybody ever made a better 1/72 scale kit for the Arrow than the old Hobbycraft (hobbycrap ?) piece of junk ? during my Arrowmaniac period (2001-2004) I made two of them, enough to hate this kit for the rest of my life...

 

[uk 75]

My two are the old Hobby ones. Sadly bits keep falling off them. I also have a Philippine desk model with undercart which didnt work out too well. Its in the same scheme as the one above..The kits are in RAFG green and 74sqn Tiger black tail scheme.
I also have a very heavy diecast Hobbymaster 1/72 scale version which was made a while back and is hard to find. There is also a crude metal toy version in about 1/144 and various 1/200 models.
I remain an Arrow fan and it fits nicely into my crazy 1975 world.

 

[sferrin]

The record-breaking jet which still haunts a country

A decade after World War Two, Canada built a jet which pushed technology to its limits. But its demise showed why smaller nations found it difficult to compete in the Jet Age.

www.bbc.com

Which records did it break?