Argentinian Unbuilt Projects

[vajt]

The IA-63 avanzado was more like it, still is proposed as the argentine future combat aircraft, I be seen also that project designated as ACL ( avion de combate liviano, Light combat aircraft) .There are a lot of plans right now in the FMA, the sure thing is the fabrication of more AT-63 trainer/light attacks an the modernization of the IA-58Ds since the budget has been already aproved. But could be some space for the ACL, we will have to wait and see .

Wow, that would really be something if the ACL project actually progresses. Update the design a bit to make it more stealthy but it would be a good project to replace the current A-4's and possibly the Mirages.

-----JT-----

 

[fishjay]

Does anyone have detailed drawings of the five engine layout that was proposed for the IAe 36 Condor II passenger liner? I am curious to know if the engines were placed in a star pattern in what was essentially an overblown sincle nacelle.

Thanks,

Lester (fishjay)

 

[Jemiba]

Judging the pictures posted by Dronte (#27 and #28) the engines seem to
have been arranged circularly, with one of them directly at the top. Quite
good visible in the partial cut-away, I think.

 

[fishjay]

Thanks for the drawing. I imagine the inlet and exhaust ducting would have been a nightmare, not to mention the fuel system piping.

fishjay

 

[hesham]

Hi,


was that the Argentina I.Ae.231 aircraft project ?.

 

[lark]

Have to check, but I think it's a Junkers design.

 

[richard]

Have to check, but I think it's a Junkers design.

Yes : Junkers EF 82 (1939/40) , with a Jumo 214 .

 

[Tophe]

The Search tool did not find the DINFIA A-X2, do you know it? (I have a 3-view drawing in my archives somewhere). It was a COIN project, in the program that led to the Pucara.
Sources: Jane’s All the World Aircraft 1966-67 (3 views, details), Air International 10-77 page 166 (details)
Layout: twin-boom twin-seat twin-turboprop, inspired maybe by the US Bronco, tandem cockpit and 6 passengers at the rear (with rear doors justifying the twin-boom layout)
Engines: 2 x 1,000 hp, STOL ability to take off in 200m
Span 14.4m Length about 14.4m
Speed　: maximum 480km/h (750km/h in a dive)
Weight: 2.8 t empty, 5.2t maximum

 

[Jemiba]

The photo posted by Hesham can be found here, too :
http://hugojunkers.pytalhost.com/ju_ef082_a1.htm
The project is listed also as EF-65.

 

[hesham]

Sorry for this Mistake,


but was there a project called I.Ae.231 or not ?.

 

[Hood]

I can clear up this little mystery easily enough. The photo of the supposed I.Ae.231 is in fact the Junkers EF 82 as correctly stated elsewhere. I made the intial post of the fictional design over at the Wesworld naval RPG as the fictional I.Ae.23 dive-bomber. The photo seems to have gotten onto the PPRuNE forum in the silhouette challenge incorectly labelled as the IAe231. I'm not sure where the extra digit comes from but I can assure you all that its fiction not fact. This is twice my alt-history work has gotten onto these pages. Over zealous posting without checking facts is perhaps the root of the cause here compunded by other reputable websites making the same errors but it makes you wonder how many more of these fictional images have gotten onto these boards.

 

[Maveric]

Hi all,


the new FAdeA (FMA) I.A.73... (source: WWW)


Servus Maveric

 

[NUSNA_Moebius]

It's a damn shame that there have been so many competent and intelligent engineers in Argentina (both foreign and native), yet continued governmental problems have only served to screw over their economy and in the end have prevented Argentina's latent genius from breaking out into the mainstream of aircraft design and manufacturing. Imagine Brazil and Argentina being aerospace rivals!

 

[Deino]

Not sure if already posted but very interesting !!

http://www.mincyt.cba.gov.ar/site/fabricamilitar/descarga/fma2008.pdf

Deino

 

[Jemiba]

See #66, but it's really worth a reminder ! To my experience, it takes quite a while to download
it, but nevertheless the link still works.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the IA-58 origin and variants.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/air-warfare/75408-combat-aircraft-projects-designs-index-2nd-post-40.html

 

[hesham]

Hi,


from JP4 magazine,here is a drawing to Pulqui I,but it was different a little from
which actually built.

 

[hesham]

It is a shame that the Argentinean of the forum does not contribute anything, so...

Horten's first fighter proposal to Argentinian Air Force:

Also from Flugzeug Classic 7/2004 & 8/2004.

 

[hesham]

Sorry my dear Stargazer for this double post,


please remove or delete this post.

 

[Stargazer]

I'm no longer a moderator, hesham!!!

 

[hesham]

I'm no longer a moderator, hesham!!!

OK,so if my dear Jemiba here,


please delete my post.

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

Glad you left Hesh's last post. I'm reading Ho-229: Spirit of Thuringia. Great book so far but I know the Horten story doesn't end in Germsny, 1945.

So the Horten stuff on this thread is value to me.

Now I just wish there was a dedicated site or book just about Reimar Horten's Argentina projects.

 

[Motocar]

Cutaway DINFIA then FMA IA-52 light transport aircraft designed in Argentina, it was to be powered by two turbo-prop engines Turbomeca Astazou, mounted in the same light attack aircraft IA-58 "Pucara" fairly simple design with straight wings and braced supported by a small embryonic wings which in turn serve to support the train-type landing fixed tricycle, its fuselage mono-coke type with a short, stubby nose square section designed to transport cargo via a ramp then swing as seen in the CASA C-212, the pilot cabin accessed through a side door type car, and modified by author WEAL Motocar to recreate this forgotten project, Link:
http://www.zona-militar.com/foros/threads/cutaways-cortes-esquem%C3%A1ticos-de-aviones.24700/page-107

.
P. D. Sorry for my poor English

 

[hesham]

From Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1984-1985,


here is the FMA ATL,it was twin engined high-wing multi-purpose light transport
aircraft project,powered by two 1250 hp turboprops.

 

[fightingirish]

FAdeA tests first IA-58H Pucara with new engines
The first FAdeA IA-58H Pucara light strike aircraft equipped with new Pratt & Whitney Canada PT-6A-62 engines, after several delays, took its maiden flight on 24 November.

The aircraft selected (tail number AX-561) in June received a re-modelled set of wings from Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) to accommodate the replacement engines, and then went through several ground tests in preparation for the flight.

FAdeA initiated the Pucara's engine upgrade process in 2011, selecting the ubiquitous PT-6A-62 to replace the discontinued Turbomeca Astazou XVIG, which was proving difficult to maintain.

The project plans to upgrade as many as 20 frames from Argentine Air Force stocks, but currently only one set of re-modeled wings has been received from IAI and it is unclear if more will be forthcoming in the near term.

Source: http://www.janes.com/article/56248/fadea-tests-first-ia-58h-pucara-with-new-engines

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is the FMA I.Ae.34 & I.Ae.41 drawings.

http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=21734

 

[blackkite]

Wow thanks a lot!! Amazing.

 

[hesham]

Here is some Argentine unbuilt Projects;

http://www.eam.iua.edu.ar/rumbos/Revista-37/RevistaRumbos37-HistAeronautica.htm

 

[hesham]

And;

 

[Apophenia]

Source: La industria aeronáutica nacional, los proyectos y desarrollos
-- http://www.eam.iua.edu.ar/rumbos/Revista-37/RevistaRumbos37-HistAeronautica.htm

Foto-036.jpg = IAe-39, short-haul airliner derived from IAe-35 Huanquero

Foto-039.jpg = IAe-43 Pulqui III

Foto-040.jpg = IAe-44 DL II advanced trainer

Foto-044.jpg = IAe-47 1957 airliner, Dart variant
- IAe-47: 20 pax airliner, 2 x R-R Dart RDa.8
- IAe-47: 40 pax airliner, 4 x P&W radials
- IAe-47: 44-46 pax airliner, 2 x Bristol Orpheus
- IAe-47: 42 pax airliner, 2 x R-R turboprop (Dart?)

Foto-058.jpg = FMA IA-62 B-45 Mentor replacement
- FMA IA-62: 1 x Turbomeca Astazou XIV F

Foto-060.jpg = IA-67 Córdoba, IA-50/DC-3 repl.
- IA-67: Volpar design based on IA-66 parts

Foto-061.jpg = IA-67 Córdoba

Foto-062.jpg = IA-68 ATL (Avión Transporte Liviano)
- IA-68: 23-30 pax transport, 1,250 shp turboprops

Foto-063.jpg = IA-68 ATL (different engine type?)

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Apophenia.

 

[iverson]

Foto-039.jpg = IAe-43 Pulqui III looks very like its descendent, the HF-24 Marut that Kurt Tank developed at HAL after leaving Argentina for India.

 

[hesham]

That's right Iverson.

 

[Hood]

I've never read very much on the Pulqui III, but I've always wondered if the descriptions of Marut ever really gave credit to the design work done on Pulqui III. Did Kurt Tank essentially offer the Indians a completed design?

 

[hesham]

My dear Hood,

some Info here;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_HF-24_Marut

 

[Apophenia]

FAdeA photo of prototype IA-58H Pucara conversion with PT6A-62s.

 

[hesham]

The Condor.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

does anyone hear about Sociedad Anonima Sfreddo & Paolini Type-I & Type-II ?,

 

[hesham]

IA.62;

http://fdra.blogspot.com.eg/2014/04/aviones-argentinos-proyecto-fma-ia-62.html

 

[Maveric]

pic one: the aircraft is named I.A.47.