Patriot SAM Developments

I also think some of the images posted by twitter osint accounts that are claiming to be zirkon are actually parts of a patriot missile. Here are some images I have seen from these individuals which were claimed debris of zirkon. Someone more expert than me may correct me but I think people are mistaking surface to air missile debris. I am happy to admit I am wrong if this post is incorrect.

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Well the diameter of the object in the bottom shot is certainly too wide to be a Patriot PAC-3 CRI. I mean that's a dirt track road it's on, which puts the diameter at 0.5m minimum, at least twice what it should be for a PAC-3 CRI. Other pieces actually say 3M22 on them, so that's fairly conclusive.

Top image looks more the right size for a PAC-3 piece but the wire threads are a little confusing. I would expect part of a PAC-3 to end up somewhere after an intercept.
 
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Remnants of a spun layer in the fuselage? I was initially thinking GRP, but there'd be some evidence of the resin matrix, so maybe something like Aramid?
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I should also note that I've not seen any twitter posts claiming that the top image is a Zircon at this point, just the bottom one.
 
The top image seems to have the solid rocket thruster array of PAC-3. The “wire” is probably carbon fiber or some other lightweight composite that forms the casing. There is a small explosive charge in PAC-3 that projects large preformed shrapnel to expand the area of impact of the missile.
 
TMA1 said:
I also think some of the images posted by twitter osint accounts that are claiming to be zirkon are actually parts of a patriot missile. Here are some images I have seen from these individuals which were claimed debris of zirkon. Someone more expert than me may correct me but I think people are mistaking surface to air missile debris. I am happy to admit I am wrong if this post is incorrect.

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Nobody have claimed THIS May 2023 PAC-3 image, searchable in pair of clicks (literally) to be a Zircon. Instead of creating a hiatus you would just ask if the other one may be of PAC-2 (which is not).
 
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TMA1 said:
I also think some of the images posted by twitter osint accounts that are claiming to be zirkon are actually parts of a patriot missile. Here are some images I have seen from these individuals which were claimed debris of zirkon. Someone more expert than me may correct me but I think people are mistaking surface to air missile debris. I am happy to admit I am wrong if this post is incorrect.

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Bottom image is on a dirt track wide enough to have grass growing in the middle.

That's way bigger than any Patriot missile, and is bordering on ATACMS sized.
 
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Very dubious fake news. Israeli interceptor technology came from US companies, so it makes no sense that 90% of Israel's missiles would succeed and only 25% of the US's. Can't find a single renowned source for this claim and we'd have heard about it well before now if it was true. Seems to have originated from the Tehran Times. Everyone quoting 'Israeli Army Radio' but Israeli Army Radio itself returns zero hits. Damage control by Iran and nothing more.


Where the hell was this story 7 days ago even, or even 6 days ago?
 
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The Israeli Defence Forces have confirmed plans to mothball U.S.-supplied MIM-104 Patriot air defence systems, less than a month after an unprecedented Iranian drone and missile strike saw the country and allied U.S. forces launch the largest surface to air missile barrage in history. The decision to retire a major part of the country’s air defence network in the midst of combat operations of considerable intensity, and at a time when air defences are facing unprecedented pressure, is highly unusual. This has been interpreted by a number of analysts as a significant indication of the Patriot’s performance shortcomings. Not only has the system’s combat record left much to be desired, in operations ranging from the Gulf War to the defence of Saudi airspace against Yemeni strikes, but perhaps most critically for Israel the system has consistently shown a significant propensity for friendly fire.
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militarywatchmagazine.com

Amid Unprecedented Air Defence Challenges, Israel Makes Unusual Decision to Retire Patriot Missiles: Friendly Fire Issues Cause Concern

The Israeli Defence Forces have confirmed plans to mothball U.S.-supplied MIM-104 Patriot air defence systems, less than a month after an unprecedented Iranian drone and
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Those tweets are obnoxiously inflammatory.
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It is a bit much. According to that sort of logic, air forces should all still be flying piston-engined fighters (because as late as the early 1950s, they were still scoring occasional victories against jets), stealth would be a dead end (after all an antediluvian SA-3 managed to kill one F-117 and almost take down a second in less than ideal circumstances) and the S-200 would be the best air defence system in the world (hey, it once succeeded in shooting down an F-16I packed with the latest Israeli EW tech, you know). It would also lead you to conclude that the Mirage F1 is on a par with the F-14 (not to dismiss the F1, which was a useful and rather lovely aircraft, but you get what I mean).

The attempted degree of extrapolation is ridiculous.

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That's rather disappointing, to be frank - long-lead issues notwithstanding. Airbus is building A320s faster than that (currently rate 60, rate 75 envisioned for 2026)!
 
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Another successful Iskander interception:

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⚡️ Defeat of the Patriot air defense system and the AN/MPQ-65 radar of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by a missile strike from the Iskander OTRK in the area of the village. Gulyaypole in Zaporozhye region.
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TMA1 said:
I also think some of the images posted by twitter osint accounts that are claiming to be zirkon are actually parts of a patriot missile. Here are some images I have seen from these individuals which were claimed debris of zirkon. Someone more expert than me may correct me but I think people are mistaking surface to air missile debris. I am happy to admit I am wrong if this post is incorrect.

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When the ERINT is tired, it lands and buries its head in the ground, sprouting its aramid fiber tails (similar to a Peacock's feather) to resemble a Carboniferous Rutabaga. The vegetable disguise serves to deter carnivorous predators while it is resting and its unique "ground nesting" behavior seeks to avoid competition from other flying creatures that reside in trees.
 
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Another successful Iskander interception:

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⚡️ Defeat of the Patriot air defense system and the AN/MPQ-65 radar of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by a missile strike from the Iskander OTRK in the area of the village. Gulyaypole in Zaporozhye region.
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More like another success deception.

First off the Launcher is not facing with the Radar. Now that is possible but extremely unlikely. And it far far too close to tge radar, the exhaust of launch will burn it.

Second is that the Control Shelter is not in view, if you setting up that tight then the Control shelter be within view which Its not. While you can datalink it from way off, so can the launchers, it does not make any sense to have the Radar and the Launcher right next to each other facing different directions while the shelter is in another zipcode.


Third and most Damning.

The Radar has no inbuilt generator. None of the Patriot Radars do.

It NEEDS an external power source, which is the same size as the radar itself. And it needs to be within like, 40 meters of the radar to power it. So we would be able to see it in the second picture.

You literally cannot raise the face without power. It too heavy to be manually raise, can be drop due to how its balance but not raised.

Thrlere fir Im bout 98.99 percent sure that thats a Woody and the Russian just wasted a multi million dollar missile on bout... 100 bucks of wood. Which looks like it can be reused with some paint so....
 

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