Westland aircraft projects

[Schneiderman]

Interesting that is is quite different in several respects from the IV and Wessex. In many ways it looks more like a Fokker or Avro design

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?102742-Westlands-Aircraft

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Dreadnaught, F.7/30 and COW-gun fighter.

 

[robunos]

I've always thought that the fuselage of the Interceptor Fighter was too short . . . to my eyes it should be the same length as the COW Gun Fighter. We know that when the Wapiti was designed, the drawing office made a mistake, and left out a fuselage bay, which meant that the fuselage was too short. This had to be corrected by a larger fin, which is why the Wapiti has such a large tail. I wonder if something similar happened here . . . :


cheers,
Robin.

 

[Schneiderman]

The Interceptor was the subject of a quite intensive study carried out by the NPL and RAE. Models with several alternative tails were tested in the windtunnel, much of the focus being on spin recovery

 

[Schneiderman]

3-view of the J.8 "Jet Welkin" with Delanne layout found in Aviation News vol 9 number 20 Feb/March 1981

 

[hesham]

3-view of the J.8 "Jet Welkin" with Delanne layout found in Aviation News vol 9 number 20 Feb/March 1981

Wow,nice find my dear Schneiderman.

 

[hesham]

From, British Aircraft Specifications File,

what was those Westland Projects ?.

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[Schneiderman]

From, British Aircraft Specifications File,

what was those Westland Projects ?.

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Two answers; first Richard Payne mentions these in 'Stuck on the Drawing Board' but does not provide details. Second, if these projects existed they would have been unsolicited. The Air Min and MAP did not put the the requirements from the Brabazon Committee out to tender, they were allocated to companies based on an assessment of their free design capacity taking into account any military work. The requirement went directly to Airspeed in mid 1943, who then proceeded to deviate from the official specification thereby shooting themselves neatly in the foot and handing a great opportunity to Vickers - The Viking filled the gap they left empty and the more advanced Viscount easily out competed the Ambassador.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Schneiderman,

and clearly they were a two or four engined Projects.

 

[Schneiderman]

Well the specification was for a twin-engined aircraft, but that does not necessarily mean the Westland projects were twins

 

[hesham]

Hi,

there is an impression artist picture from Flightglobal to unknown
fighter belong to Westland company, I think it was not Wyvern.


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1945/1945%20-%201538.html

Many thanks to my dear Tony Buttler,

to put this unknown Project in his book,BSP 3.

 

[hesham]

From Flying magazine 1945-2,

I can't ID this Westland Project,of course the date of this artist drawing
was from 1945,and maybe it was related to Whirlwind,but it was not it,
because the later was appeared in 1940/1941 ?.

 

[Apophenia]

I can't ID this Westland Project,of course the date of this artist drawing was from 1945,and maybe it was related to Whirlwind,but it was not it,
because the later was appeared in 1940/1941 ?.

Perhaps an ill-informed impression of the Westland Welkin? No real information on the Welkin was released to the public until after the war.

 

[Grey Havoc]

I can't ID this Westland Project,of course the date of this artist drawing was from 1945,and maybe it was related to Whirlwind,but it was not it,
because the later was appeared in 1940/1941 ?.

Perhaps an ill-informed impression of the Westland Welkin? No real information on the Welkin was released to the public until after the war.

I was wondering if that was the case myself.

 

[kitnut617]

Hi,

there is an impression artist picture from Flightglobal to unknown
fighter belong to Westland company, I think it was not Wyvern.


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1945/1945%20-%201538.html

Many thanks to my dear Tony Buttler,

to put this unknown Project in his book,BSP 3.

The left picture also appeared in Aircraft of the Fighting Powers, Vol VI. It's not in any of the other volumes though. The right picture is a Hawker P.1030.

EDIT: Looking through my volumes of AotFP, the Welkin is described in Vol VI too, the usual format of information and photos plus 1/72 3-view drawing. Vol VI was published in 1946 so the information on the Welkin would have been know earlier in 1945.

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane monthly 1978,

the Westland Dreadnought.

 

[BarnOwlLover2]

Too bad the one single seater looks like an ad rather than an actual aircraft. It also looks like it was illustrated with 8x.303 machine guns it seems.

 

[Schneiderman]

From Flying magazine 1945-2,

I can't ID this Westland Project,of course the date of this artist drawing
was from 1945,and maybe it was related to Whirlwind,but it was not it,
because the later was appeared in 1940/1941 ?.

Most likely artwork that went with the original design for the P.9/Whirlwind. Here is the mock-up from May 1937

 

[BarnOwlLover2]

Does look a fair bit like it. I also found a couple of print ads on Ebay featuring the single seater shown earlier. Maybe an early concept for the Wyvern, since one does show an exhaust fairing similar in position for like a Napier Sabre or Rolls-Royce Eagle (both H-24 engines, the latter of which powered early Wyverns until suitable turboprops became available).

 

[hesham]

From Flying magazine 1945-2,

I can't ID this Westland Project,of course the date of this artist drawing
was from 1945,and maybe it was related to Whirlwind,but it was not it,
because the later was appeared in 1940/1941 ?.

Most likely artwork that went with the original design for the P.9/Whirlwind. Here is the mock-up from May 1937

But the advertisement in 1945,and they mentioned in the text,a new design to
Westland ?!.

 

[Schneiderman]

From Flying magazine 1945-2,

I can't ID this Westland Project,of course the date of this artist drawing
was from 1945,and maybe it was related to Whirlwind,but it was not it,
because the later was appeared in 1940/1941 ?.

Most likely artwork that went with the original design for the P.9/Whirlwind. Here is the mock-up from May 1937

But the advertisement in 1945,and they mentioned in the text,a new design to
Westland ?!.

First, the caption does not mention that the artwork appeared in an advertisement. Second, Westland advertisements from 1944 - 1946 featured a number of speculative ideas for future aircraft, jet airliners, jet flying wings and fighters, that were never real Westland designs. This twin engine concept does not appear in any of them. Without knowing which 'British publication' was the source for the artwork there is not much we can say. It most certainly did not come from either Flight or Aeroplane

 

[airman]

Other interesting article where is mentioned Westland J8 http://www.airvectors.net/avwhirl.html

 

[Grey Havoc]

Well looking into the CL.10B I came across a reference to the Westland CL.20, which was derived from the CL.10B. What the differences were was not revealed, Here's the pic of the sole example of the CL.20 which was built and flew. Other airframes were completed but due to control problems and the oncoming war, the project was abandoned. Nearly forgot the source was http://history.whl.co.uk/cierva_cl_20.html. Also found a second pic, source is https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/westland-cl-20-second-best/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596813079588872194

View: https://twitter.com/clark_aviation/status/1596813079588872194

 

[riggerrob]

Well looking into the CL.10B I came across a reference to the Westland CL.20, which was derived from the CL.10B. What the differences were was not revealed, Here's the pic of the sole example of the CL.20 which was built and flew. Other airframes were completed but due to control problems and the oncoming war, the project was abandoned. Nearly forgot the source was http://history.whl.co.uk/cierva_cl_20.html. Also found a second pic, source is https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/westland-cl-20-second-best/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596813079588872194

View: https://twitter.com/clark_aviation/status/1596813079588872194

With a Pobjoy Niagara V engine producing a maximum of 126 horsepower, that autogyro was probably under-powered.

 

[hesham]

The Westland F.5/33 Project.

 

[robunos]

I believe this is the missing 'Pterodactyl VI'; having a nose turret, this was to fly at the head of an escorted bomber formation, with the rear turreted Pterodactyl V flying to the rear, and thus giving all round protection . . .

cheers,
Robin.

 

[Schneiderman]

I believe this is the missing 'Pterodactyl VI'; having a nose turret, this was to fly at the head of an escorted bomber formation, with the rear turreted Pterodactyl V flying to the rear, and thus giving all round protection . . .

cheers,
Robin.

Yes, and here it is as an illustration in a Westland patent along with the nose turret

 

[robunos]

Yes, and here it is as an illustration in a Westland patent along with the nose turret

Interesting that the Patent drawing shows an open pilot's cockpit, whereas the one in Post#66 shows an enclosed cockpit. Since the Pterodactyl V also had an open cockpit, would an open cockpit for the 'VI be more likely if built ?

cheers,
Robin.

 

[hesham]

The Westland F.5/33 Project.

Yes,it's MK.VI.

 

[hesham]

From, Kites, Birds & Stuff - Westland Aircraft.

 

[hesham]

Yes,it's MK.VI.

A bigger view,from, British_Research_and_Development_Aircraft

 

[Arjen]

A related thread on Westland Pterodactyl studies:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/geoffrey-hill-westland-hill-pterodactyl-designs-and-prototypes.12099/#post-117903