Western Artists' Concepts of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War

[Justo Miranda]

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6368944

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Looks like a Phantom II made with very little money

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Its fairly accurate to the Su-25 shape while making it look really ugly and 1950s.

 

[publiusr]

Looks like a Phantom II made with very little money

That was the milkman.

“He doesn’t have my nose at all. Honey? Why are you crying?”

 

[hesham]

From this source,

https://modellflygnytt.se/gamla/1955/looping_1955-5.pdf

 

[flateric]

Flateric's pix were originally derived from USAF public briefing documents. They were shown on screens but not handed out.
Shortly thereafter the practice of packing Leica R3 with 180mm/2.8 lens into such events was discouraged ;D.

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[F.L.]

 

[F.L.]

 

[F.L.]

Ilyushin Il-40 (Brawny)

 

[piginapoke]

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I grew up with those enigmatic very low resolution (deliberate?) photos with the equally enigmatic RAM designations.

 

[archipeppe]

I grew up with those enigmatic very low resolution (deliberate?) photos with the equally enigmatic RAM designations.

Me too...

 

[Michel Van]

I grew up with those enigmatic very low resolution (deliberate?) photos with the equally enigmatic RAM designations.

Same experience...

 

[Justo Miranda]

Same here

 

[flateric]

Hi,
from a Germany book,the Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot early imagination to it.

Can anyone say what was the source book?

 

[hesham]

Can anyone say what was the source book?

My dear Flateric,

I searched hard,but obviously it is not in my stuff now,but a small Info could be help,it was an
encyclopedia as I remember ?.

 

[flateric]

Found it

 

[flateric]

View: https://youtu.be/F0j2FNcm1sA?si=Jx1YQMMHHF8tEADe

 

[flateric]

Well, I found the original mention of "Fearless" in 1971. Perhaps it was a US "design study" of a possible Soviet response to the F-15 program made during the F-15 development?

"NO POINTS FOR SECOND PLACE" ROLE OF FIGHTER AIRCRAFT 1974 GRUMMAN F-14 TOMCAT PROMO FILM 80744 : PeriscopeFilm : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

This color promotional film is about the evolution of fighter aircraft including the new Grumman F-14 Tomcat. No copyright but this is circa 1974. Opening:...

archive.org

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

This is correct - we did note this before in this topic but in black and white only (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...ft-during-the-cold-war.275/page-7#post-200744)

 

[raptor82]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716780884819611664

View: https://twitter.com/fighterman_ffrc/status/1716780884819611664?s=46&t=5THFve96Abhx7VANdlTzrg

 

[flateric]

Rare : HUGHES AIR DEFENSE "Textured" PRINT SET @ Fighter Jets/Helicopters ART | eBay

SIZE: EACH ONE IS ABOUT 10-1/2" x 8-1/2". Inventory Shelf 13/5.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[Hood]

That's very interesting - provides the source for the grainy 'Mi-27 Super Hind' posted earlier in this thread from a 1980s magazine, whichever magazine it was they obviously took the Hughes 'Mi-28 Havoc' artwork and gave it a new name. Probably because it looks like a 'Hind' with different engines! Why Hughes thought that is odd, their 'Hokum' looks like a single-seater Apache!
Refreshing to see reasonably accurate 'Fulcrum' and 'Frogfoot' though.

 

[RAP]

Little Photoshop on some of the pictures. Nice illustrations.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

And where was it published?

 

[F.L.]

Nice model of Ka-34 "Hokum"

KAMOV KA-34 HOKUM — Каропка.ру — стендовые модели, военная миниатюра

 

[Antonio]

The last image from Flateric's post#420 it's identified as "Mi-28 Havoc" while clearly it isn't. Early illustrations on Western Press roughly matched the 90's Soviet next gen attack helicopters appearance from the beginning. But that "Mi-28" is something totally different, looking more like an advanced Mi-24 development. I had the very same image in a magazine from the 80's which was lost as a result of moving to a new home. I vaguely recall that it was identified as "Mi-35" but I can't prove it.

 

[flateric]

This is an original art series commissioned by Hughes...so artist did see Havoc this way that time.

 

[famvburg]

That's very interesting - provides the source for the grainy 'Mi-27 Super Hind' posted earlier in this thread from a 1980s magazine, whichever magazine it was they obviously took the Hughes 'Mi-28 Havoc' artwork and gave it a new name. Probably because it looks like a 'Hind' with different engines! Why Hughes thought that is odd, their 'Hokum' looks like a single-seater Apache!
Refreshing to see reasonably accurate 'Fulcrum' and 'Frogfoot' though.

I’ve never seen that version of Hokum before.

 

[Hood]

Indeed it was Antonio who posted it earlier in the thread, at that time he identified it as "Mi-27" but no source given sadly: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...aft-during-the-cold-war.275/page-4#post-42001

 

[Antonio]

Indeed it was Antonio who posted it earlier in the thread, at that time he identified it as "Mi-27" but no source given sadly: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...aft-during-the-cold-war.275/page-4#post-42001

2008? Thanks. The source of my scanned picture was that old magazine I lost after moving home as I referred here on post#430. I can't remember the magazine's name, probably a helicopter specialised one.

The question is: if the art originated from Hughes, clearly labeled as "Mi-28 Havoc" then why the article in the magazine referred it as "Mi-27 Super Hind"?.

I have started a revision of my old magazine boxes. I haven't lost my hope about this magazine could be still buried into one of them

 

[flateric]

I contacted the seller to see if he could provide more info on the models. He said these were produced in the early early 1980's by Al Parker. Parker worked for Hughes in their model shop and also produced patterns and models to the aircraft industry. He was also involved with a company called Marketing Aids (out of business) that manufactured factory models for the aviation industry. I think there was a book back in the 1980s called Soviet Warplanes. They had some artist concepts of what the next generation of Soviet aircraft would look like. These models seem similar to what was in that book if I recall correctly.

Al Parker's Fulcrum & Flanker(?)

 

[flateric]

Al Parker's Fencer

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Ilyushin IL-28U.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1951/1951%20-%201852.html

Direct link,

https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5Qaej1jbg1kgTjFAP3iyadlXkplVXfkAPsHNPCT4yhymlOwqgbn9bTfWV2luCRVZxzfc26W7XwwWdMHxX3QlxKlXlAw5ug_r46HCmtChGOs5yTSxWfCu9ny8UZ_lBYmXUeT_NxNFne39dLzGBq1CJgHPqLa_EMuJW1hZGFqAFwSFDHkIGoTkaL0zo8Zg_sk-5YEy-fHbFpV0Of_GjcO0v5V3DgRvt3414Z32Egjp4WytbYmy2bIVX2ChnMEpET0gAlHIMkm_B77XI9dMfUG64S0l5G8GhOQ

 

[hesham]

From Naval Aviation News 1958,

amazing projects (in early two pictures).

 

[hesham]

From Naval Aviation News 1958.

 

[hesham]

From Air Pictorial 1951/7,

they talked about Russian Pick-a-Back bombers,so maybe just an idea only,specially
after 1945 ?!,am I right ?.

 

[hesham]

From Naval Aviation News 1948,

in it,a jet fighter was developed from DFS.346.

 

[F.L.]

Italeri kit of Mi-28 "Havoc" :

 

[hesham]

From this report.

Military Aspects of World Political Geography

www.google.co.nz

 

[F.L.]

A few years ago I saw an American propaganda poster from the 40s/early 50s explaining the danger of the new Soviet fighter/rocket copied from the Me 163. Unfortunately, I've never found it again.
The drawing showed an Me-163 with the Red star on tail.

 

[flateric]

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