Was the Belgian UFO a Rockwell nuclear powered flying wing design?

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In "Innovative Strategic Aircraft Design Study (ISADS)", June 1978, (https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADC016293) the following nuclear powered aircraft design is being discussed:

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Strangely, the same signature was found with the flying triangle that was seen by many witnesses in the belgian ufo case. The red light in the middle of the "UFO" was exacly where the laser in a ball concept was situated in the Rockwell design. A coincidence?

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Hints are welcome.
 
Cool, where did you find that one?

May I add:

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@novum Seeing a laser-armed nuclear powered aircraft would be reason for cheer for most visitors to this forum, but...
- what points to this showing a nuclear powered aircraft, and
- what is the clue it has a whacking great laser aboard
... other than the configuration of lights along the bottom of a vaguely triangular shape?
If it is what you think it might be, why fly it over one of the most densely populated bits of Europe?

When you hear the sound of hooves in Belgium, think horses. Not zebras.

Or, in this case
A plane with navigation lights:
It is considered good form here to give sources - where are those images from?
 
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Well, I have an open mind to everything unusual, but I find it hard to believe that someone would use a small country (which is a nest of political intrigue and is home to some important European and NATO security departments) to test a nuclear vehicle. Or a UFO, or an electromagnetic propulsion system, or an anti-gravity motor.

Don't them seem stupid?

Can you imagine that a flying saucer lands in Central Park, a hatch opens, a fluorescent octopus asks a Dominican nanny about the king of the planet and the frightened girl gives him Guterres' phone number?

It's not impossible but...:rolleyes:
 
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So it was a fake...
Archibald, I understand your point, but there is a reason why referencing wikipedia articles are oftentimes not permitted in academic writings in Universities.

Here is a more reliable source I suppose:

SUMMARY REPORT ON OBSERVATIONS
30-31 MARCH 1990

BACKGROUND

1. Starting early Dec 89 the BAF has been contacted on several occasions by eyewitnesses who observed strange phenomena in the Belgian airspace. On some occassions they described the phenomena as a triangle-shaped platform up to 200 feet wide with 3 downward beaming projectors, hovering at +- 100 m above the ground and making only a very light humming noise. Some witnesses saw the object departing at very high speed after a very fast acceleration. All observations were made in the evening or during the night.

2. The radar stations which had been alerted by eyewitnesses could not definitely determine a correlation between the visual observations and their detections on radar. On two occasions the BAF scrambled 2 F16 during the evening hours.

a. On the first occasion the F16 arrived +- 1 hour after the visual detection. Nothing was observed.

b. On the second occassion, pilots could identify a laser-beam projector on the ground. After investigation it appeared however that the description of the observations totally differed from previously described phenomena.

3. Consequently the Belgian Airforce, anxious to identify the origin of the phenomena, authorised F16 scrambles if following conditions were met:

a. Visual observations on the ground confirmed by the local police.

b. Detection on radar.

4. On 30 Mar 1990 at 23.00 Hr the Master Controller (MC) of the Air Defence radar station of Glons received a phone call from a person who declared to observe three independant blinking lights in the sky, changing colours, with a much higher intensity than the lights of the stars and forming a triangle. Meteo conditions were clear sky, no clouds, light wind and a minor temperature inversion at 3000 Ft.

5. The MC in turn notified the police of WAVRE which confirmed the sighting at +- 23 30 Hr. Meanwhile the MC had identified a radar contact at about 8 NM North of the ground observation. The contact moved slowely to the West at a speed of =- 25kts and an altitude of 10.000 Ft.

6. The ground observers reported 3 additional light spots which moved gradually, with irregular speeds, towards the first set of lights and forming a second triangle.

7. At 23.50 a second radar station, situated at +- 100 NM >from the first, confirmed an identical contact at the same place of the radar contact of Glons.

8. At 00.05 Hr 2 F16 were scrambled from BEAUVECHAIN airbase and guided towards the radar contacts. A total of 9 interception attempts have been made. At 6 occasions the pilots could establish a lock-on with their air interception radar. Lock-on distances varried between 5 and 8 NM. On all occasions targets varied speed and altitude very quickly and break-locks occured after 10 to 60 seconds. Speeds varied between 150 and 1010 kts. At 3 occasions both F16 registered simultaneous lock-ons with the same parameters. The 2 F16 were flying +- 2 NM apart. No visual contact could be established by either of the F16 pilots.

9. The F16 flew 3 times through the observation field of the ground observers. At the third passage the ground observers notified a change in the behaviour of the light spots. The most luminous started to blink very intensively while the other disappeared. Consequently, the most luminous spot started to dim gradually.

10. Meanwhile the head of the police of WAVRE had alerted 4 other police stations in the area. All four, seperated +- 10 NM from each other, confirmed the visual observations.

11. The aircraft landed at 01.10 Hrs. The last visual observation was recorded at +- 01.30 Hrs.

CONCLUSIONS

12. The BELGIAN Airforce was unable to identify neither the nature nor the origin of the phenomena. However, it had sufficient elements to exclude following assumptions:

a. Balloons. Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar).

b. ULM. Same as for balloons.

c. RPV. Impossible due to the hovering characteristics.

d. Aircraft (including Stealth). Same as for RPV. No noise.

e. Laser projections or Mirages. Unlikely due to lack of projection surface (no clouds). Light spots have been observed from different locations. Light spots moved over distance of more than 15 NM. Form of inlighted part of spots has been observed with spectacles. Laser projections or mirages can not be detected by radar.

{signed}

W. DE BROUWER

Kol Vl SBH

VS3

I am not saying that it necessarily was a Rockwell plane, I am only saying that I find the similarities interesting and I consider it a more reasonable approach then fooling the world with some alien stories.
 
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@novum Seeing a laser-armed nuclear powered aircraft would be reason for cheer for most visitors to this forum, but...
- what points to this showing a nuclear powered aircraft, and
- what is the clue it has a whacking great laser aboard
... other than the configuration of lights along the bottom of a vaguely triangular shape?
If it is what you think it might be, why fly it over one of the most densely populated bits of Europe?

When you hear the sound of hooves in Belgium, think horses. Not zebras.

Or, in this case

It is considered good form here to give sources - where are those images from?
Maybe it was their own aircraft ...
and what images are you talking about? The ISADS study can be downloaded via the link I posted and the fotos were taken from google picture search.
 
Well, Monaco also has a small helipad, the mysterious builders could test that VTOL thing there and no one would get in.
 
Despite my skepticism, I must admit that the strange political maneuvers being carried out in Brussels could be perpetrated by extraterrestrials... a hostile race of course.
 
Well, I have an open mind to everything unusual, but I find it hard to believe that someone would use a small country (which is a nest of political intrigue and is home to some important European and NATO security departments) to test a nuclear vehicle. Or a UFO, or an electromagnetic propulsion system, or an anti-gravity motor.

Don't them seem stupid?

Can you imagine that a flying saucer lands in Central Park, a hatch opens, a fluorescent octopus asks a Dominican nanny about the king of the planet and the frightened girl gives him Guterres' phone number?

It's not impossible but...:rolleyes:
"Can you imagine that a flying saucer lands in Central Park, a hatch opens, a fluorescent octopus asks a Dominican nanny about the king of the planet and the frightened girl gives him Guterres' phone number?"

What is so unreasonable about that? :cool:
 
"Can you imagine that a flying saucer lands in Central Park, a hatch opens, a fluorescent octopus asks a Dominican nanny about the king of the planet and the frightened girl gives him Guterres' phone number?"

What is so unreasonable about that? :cool:
I think my example has been unfortunate, in NY anything can happen: With my poor English I ordered “Langosta” (lobster) in a restaurant and they served me two huge roasted “saltamontes” (locusts), all my friends made fun of me, but that's not the end of the story in dessert they served a variety of cherries impossible to find in my country (although we produce them for export) and the guy who served them turned out to be my cousin Luis ,whom the whole family believed to be an important Wall Street executive, back at the hotel the taxi driver turned out to be a college classmate, but if it had been a fluorescent octopus I would no longer have been surprised.:cool:
 
Maybe it was their own aircraft ...
and what images are you talking about? The ISADS study can be downloaded via the link I posted and the fotos were taken from google picture search.
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'Maybe it was their own aircraft ...'
Try again.
 
@novum First image: not particularly convincing in its likeness to any of the concepts from the ISADS document.

Second image, text from the linked article:
Widely publicized to be a UFO, it has to be said: this looks very little like a UFO. Though the crafts are moving in tight formation in the V-shape stereotypical of a certain type of UFO called a “black triangle” — these objects seem to be conventional aircraft.

And indeed, that is what they were. After the pictures went viral, it was revealed that these strange lights were nothing more than Bell CH-146 Griffon helicopters flying in formation in an exercise of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

Which is what people told her in the comments section from the start, even though she insisted that there was “no base near here.” Except the RCAF regularly flies such missions from the base in St. Hubert to Ontario, and so this should not strike anyone as strange.
Accompanying text with first image:
15.03.2012

(str) - Belgien ist bei Außerirdischen offenbar sehr beliebt: 245 unidentifizierte Flug-Objekte wurden in den vergangenen 12 Monaten im Himmel über dem Königreich gesichtet. Das sind deren 200 mehr als noch im Jahr zuvor. Die Mehrzahl der UFOs wurden über Flandern gesichtet.

“Neun von zehn Fällen, die unserer UFO-Hotline gemeldet werden, entpuppen sich als Heißluftballons, Sportflieger oder Meteore”, erklärt Frederick Delaere vom Verein “Belgisch UFO-Meldpunt” gegenüber der Tageszeitung “La Meuse”. Der Ufologenverein sammelt jegliche Informationen über die Sichtung von unidentifizierten Flugobjekten in Belgien.

Dass in Flandern mehr UFOs gemeldet werden, als in Wallonien, könnte der “Meuse” zufolge daran liegen, dass der „UFO-Meldpoint“ in diesem Teil Belgiens recht bekannt ist und die meisten Beobachtungen dem Verein direkt von Zeugen gemeldet werden.
Translated:
Belgium is apparently very popular with extraterrestrials: 245 unidentified flying objects were sighted in the skies above the kingdom in the past 12 months. That is 200 more than in the previous year. The majority of UFOs were sighted over Flanders. "Nine out of ten cases reported to our UFO hotline turn out to be hot air balloons, sports planes or meteors," explains Frederick Delaere from the "Belgian UFO Reporting Point" association to the daily newspaper "La Meuse". The ufologists' association collects all information about sightings of unidentified flying objects in Belgium. According to the "Meuse", the fact that more UFOs are reported in Flanders than in Wallonia could be because the "UFO Reporting Point" is quite well known in this part of Belgium and most sightings are reported to the association directly by witnesses.
 
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Yeah, but how did this plane hover over a lake for one hour?
The simplest answer - it didn't. Such "UFO observations" are usually a mix of different accidents, connected into one by "observer" wild imagination. For example; the observer noticed some lights behind the lake, then after hour he saw a "flying triangle" got excited, and assumed that the lights he saw earlier must be somehow connected with this thing (actually merely a plane landing lights). By the time he composed his "report", he already persuaded himself that he saw the same "triangle" all hour.
 
The simplest answer - it didn't. Such "UFO observations" are usually a mix of different accidents, connected into one by "observer" wild imagination. For example; the observer noticed some lights behind the lake, then after hour he saw a "flying triangle" got excited, and assumed that the lights he saw earlier must be somehow connected with this thing (actually merely a plane landing lights). By the time he composed his "report", he already persuaded himself that he saw the same "triangle" all hour.
Yeah, but there were hundreds of observers .. including military and policemen .. have a look at the video I posted. :cool:
 
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