Vought ALVRJ Ramjet Demonstrator

[NMaude]

Would it have enough to get it to speed?

Would the Mk-72 boost it to a high enough speed for the Coyote's ramjet to work when it starts? I'd say it does

I think a pairing of SM-6 with Tomahawk MST

So sort of something like the SS-N-27 Sizzler where a modified Tomahawk is used as cruise-stage with a modified SM-6 as a supersonic terminal stage?

 

[zjz]

The Ma-31; America’s Russian Anti-Ship Missile - Weapons - Military Matters

When the US Navy was looking for a new supersonic drone to test their defensive systems, McDonnell Douglas had a rather clever idea...

militarymatters.online

 

[zjz]

GP ppt 42 nd Annual NDIA Targets, UAVs and Range Operations Symposium & Exhibition 17 November, 2004 Presented by:Ken Braucksick MA-31 Program. - ppt download

GP ppt Approved for Public Release MIG-29M Su-27M Su-24M 9.Booster 10.Pneumatic Power Pack 11.Control Actuator 12.Ramjet Engine Sustainer MIG-27M 1.Passive Radar Homing Head 2.High Explosive Warhead 3.Automatic Unit 4.Power Pack 5.Battery 6.Autopilot 7.Fuel-Control Unit 8.Fuel Tank 1.Active...

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[zjz]

Navy Needed Targets To Mimic Supersonic Anti-Ship Missiles So They Bought Real Ones From Russia

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the Navy acquired the same Kh-31 missiles that threatened its ships and made them into anti-ship missile targets.

www.thedrive.com

 

[zjz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504422190002843648

View: https://twitter.com/softwarnet/status/1504422190002843648

 

[TomS]

I think a pairing of SM-6 with Tomahawk MST

So sort of something like the SS-N-27 Sizzler where a modified Tomahawk is used as cruise-stage with a modified SM-6 as a supersonic terminal stage?

No, I meant the combination of the two missiles would complement each other.

 

[NMaude]

No, I meant the combination of the two missiles would complement each other.

Okay. What do you think of my idea?

 

[zjz]

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA441466.pdf

"Threat D"

 

[zjz]

https://s34.filefactory.com/get/t/62slmmlij7lt/f948e0baeefa4622/MA-31_AerialTarget_System.pdf

 

[sferrin]

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA441466.pdf

"Threat D"

Unfortunately the US failed in their effort to produce a Sizzler analog. (GQM-173 MSST)

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/gqm-173-msst-sizzler-antiship-missile-emulator.26621/

 

[sferrin]

Chinese HD-1 Supersonic Cruise Missile from the Zhuhai Airshow

300 km range. Land and air launch-able. Capable of attacking naval or land targets. Satellite mid-course correction and multiple flight pr...

china-defense.blogspot.com

 

[TomS]

No, I meant the combination of the two missiles would complement each other.

Okay. What do you think of my idea?

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead (even without a separation mechanism) and any such combination would end up being far too long for a Mk 41 launcher.

 

[sferrin]

No, I meant the combination of the two missiles would complement each other.

Okay. What do you think of my idea?

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead (even without a separation mechanism) and any such combination would end up being far too long for a Mk 41 launcher.

PrSM would be a good match though. Still, Sizzler isn't a Tomahawk with a rocket in it. It's more a rocket with a bolt-on wing/propulsion/fuel tank kit installed. The "dart" is way bigger than an SM-2. The missile itself is about six and an half feet longer than Tomahawk. (27' with booster vs 20.5' for Tomahawk.)

 

[NMaude]

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead

Well instead a full SM-6 have the terminal-stage made out of an SM-6 seeker and warhead mated to a modified Mk-136 TSRM fitted with tail fins for steering instead of TVC mounted inside the modified nose section of a Tomahawk where it's fired out of it through a frangible nose (A with exhaust vents aft of the compartment holding the terminal stage).

 

[TomS]

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead

Well instead a full SM-6 have the terminal-stage made out of an SM-6 seeker and warhead mated to a modified Mk-136 TSRM fitted with tail fins for steering instead of TVC mounted inside the modified nose section of a Tomahawk where it's fired out of it through a frangible nose (A with exhaust vents aft of the compartment holding the terminal stage).

Missiles aren't made out of Lego. You can't just mix and match parts like this.

And the TSRM in particular isn't suitable for this. Aside from totally changing the steering mechanism, you're talking about putting the whole SM-6 seeker and warhead in place of a 13-pound kill vehicle that is contained entirely inside the nose cone of SM-3

 

[Orionblamblam]

Woo. Get the 600 dpi version...

 

[sferrin]

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead

Well instead a full SM-6 have the terminal-stage made out of an SM-6 seeker and warhead mated to a modified Mk-136 TSRM fitted with tail fins for steering instead of TVC mounted inside the modified nose section of a Tomahawk where it's fired out of it through a frangible nose (A with exhaust vents aft of the compartment holding the terminal stage).

Missiles aren't made out of Lego. You can't just mix and match parts like this.

They've done exactly this many times. RAM for starters. The LRASM sea-launch test used a VL-ASROC booster. Many missile defense targets & sounding rockets are "legos".

 

[TomS]

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead

Well instead a full SM-6 have the terminal-stage made out of an SM-6 seeker and warhead mated to a modified Mk-136 TSRM fitted with tail fins for steering instead of TVC mounted inside the modified nose section of a Tomahawk where it's fired out of it through a frangible nose (A with exhaust vents aft of the compartment holding the terminal stage).

Missiles aren't made out of Lego. You can't just mix and match parts like this.

They've done exactly this many times. RAM for starters. The LRASM sea-launch test used a VL-ASROC booster. Many missile defense targets & sounding rockets are "legos".

Yes. All things where you don't necessarily care about optimization but do care about making them on the cheap.

 

[sferrin]

It isn't physically practical. Just look at it. SM-6 upper stage weighs nearly twice as much as a Tomahawk warhead

Well instead a full SM-6 have the terminal-stage made out of an SM-6 seeker and warhead mated to a modified Mk-136 TSRM fitted with tail fins for steering instead of TVC mounted inside the modified nose section of a Tomahawk where it's fired out of it through a frangible nose (A with exhaust vents aft of the compartment holding the terminal stage).

Missiles aren't made out of Lego. You can't just mix and match parts like this.

They've done exactly this many times. RAM for starters. The LRASM sea-launch test used a VL-ASROC booster. Many missile defense targets & sounding rockets are "legos".

Yes. All things where you don't necessarily care about optimization but do care about making them on the cheap.

RAM was certainly effective "out of the box". And if you can get 95% of the performance with 70% of the cost why wouldn't you? ATACMS unitary (MGM-168) could have had a custom warhead but instead they went with a slightly modified Harpoon warhead.