Various Vought VTOL/VSTOL/STOL projects

[sublight_]

Interesting comparison, but there are notable differences. The trailing edge behind the engine exhausts is diamond-shaped on the RCS model, not on the LOAF-11. Also the fins are much closer at the tips, and the wings are not pointed.

The bottom pic is supposed to be XST but I have never seen any other angles of this pole model.

 

[Stargazer]

I have another one:

 

[sublight_]

You're right.... I found a bigger one.

 

[Stargazer]

Better quality version of my image:

 

[Mr London 24/7]

From the 1981 LOAVES study linked above...

I couldn't help but think of that old 'planform like the shuttle orbiter' F-19 quote when I saw this one... Now that clearly wasn't describing either HAVE or TACIT BLUE... And it looks a bit like a subscale of the alleged Lockheed Concept in the SENIOR CITIZEN Thread (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,413.msg2758.html#msg2758)... Mmm - Takes me back!

Bygones!

 

[hesham]

Great find Thiel and Sublight.

 

[Thiel]

Great find Thiel and Sublight.

The book I got it from is an absolute goldmine. Aside from the XC-142A, which it covers in extreme detail all the way down to cockpit layout, it also has drawings and pictures of a number of VSTOL and SSTOL aircraft that I've never run across anywhere else.

 

[sublight_]

Great find Thiel and Sublight.

You can thank Stargazer, he sniffed them out.

 

[Stargazer]

You can thank Stargazer, he sniffed them out.

Actually what I did "sniff out" was the set of Rutan designs for SOFTA. And sublight dug them out. So it really was team work. Wish this could happen more often! I'm telling you, if I was over in the U.S., there is a wealth of archives I would gladly go dig into...

 

[ouroboros]

From the 1981 LOAVES study linked above...

Either I'm crazy, or they built an RCS model from the LOAVES study.....

The well circulated Senior Citizen design with the delta wing and the two strips of vertical lift engines, could be a misinterpretation of LOAVES-11. The numbering of the squares kind of struck me as odd though, almost like they were small vertical cells to hold something, say a standing or seated human. Which would dovetail into SOFTA and the SpecOps team insertion mission (minus land vehicle requirement for Senior Citizen), and wouldn't be all that different in terms of human stuffing layout from the SOFTA design that used the plenum (the first one)

 

[Stargazer]

A fascinating and as-yet unseen here (I think) VTOL project from Vought, found in TsAGI's Tekhnicheskaya Informatsiya No.17-18, 1980:

 

[Stargazer]

And from the same publication, same issue, a jet VTOL using the same basic configuration:

 

[hesham]

Hi,


my dear Skyblazer displayed those aircraft before,but here it is again with some details.

http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.58574?journalCode=ja

 

[Jemiba]

Judging the shape of the engine nacelles, the jet version would have been a four-poster.
The turboprop version would have had tiltable nacelles and lift engines under those
doors in the tail and behind the cockpit ?

 

[Bill S]

I found a chronology of Vought V/STOL Concepts from April 1978 that might be of interest to this discussion.

• ADAM 1958-1970
• XC-142 1961-1970
• V/STOL Study {V-459/460/465/470} 1963-1964
• NASA Study 1966
• CARA (Air Force) 1966-1967
• LIT (Air Force) 1967-1968
• Jet Flap Rotor 1967-1969
• Lift Jet Navy Fighter {V-517/521} 1971-1972
• Lightweight VTOL Fighter Study 1971-1972
• V/STOL Tactical Fighter (Air Force) 1971
• Cross Flow Fan VTOL's 1972-1976
• Navy Type A V/STOL (V-530) 1975-Present (1978)
• Stopped Rotor 1976
• Navy Type B V/STOL 1976-Present (1978)

 

[hesham]

Some concepts from September 1979

"V/STOL Aircraft Design Sensitivity to Flying Qualities Criteria Study."
Corporate Author : CHANCE VOUGHT CORP DALLAS TX
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA358711

Here is a clearer drawings to the same concepts.


http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a105783.pdf

 

[pedrospe]

Cool stuff,thanks again,hesham.




best regards


pedro

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a various Vought V/STOL aircraft.

http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.57462

 

[hesham]

Re: Vought low observables air vehicle engineering study 1981

LOAVES....

From same PDF.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

please look to those projects from Vought,I suggest that (only my opinion);
the Picture 2 may be V.464,the picture 3 may be V.465 and the picture 5
may be V.485.

NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS)

ntrs.nasa.gov

A clearer view to last picture.

 

[Dew]

Vought Aircraft Heritage Foundation art of VTOL aircraft 1969--no other info.

High res from NARA

De-skewed a bit:

 

[hesham]

From Naval Air System Command 1975.

 

[hesham]

From Naval Air System Command 1975.

Direct link,

Prediction methods for jet V/STOL propulsion aerodynamics

www.google.co.nz

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Hesham, pics are from

"V/STOL CONCEPT SENSITIVITY STUDY"
D. F. Sattler (LTV AEROSPACE CORPORATION)

in

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY GROUP
PREDICTION METHODS for JET V/STOL PROPULSION AERODYNAMICS VOLUME I

Proceedings of a Workshop held at the Institute for Defense Analyses Arlington , VA on July 28-31 , 1975
Editor and Chairman : M. F. Platzer
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA

Moved to more suitable topic.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Edited Hesham's link. In NZ at least, the Google copy allows download.

 

[hesham]

OK my dear PaulMM.

 

[MadRat]

The twin canard looks interesting, especially with thrust more proportionate to center of gravity. Glad they kept to Harrier, though, because they all look progressively too complex.

 

[hesham]

Hesham, pics are from

"V/STOL CONCEPT SENSITIVITY STUDY"
D. F. Sattler (LTV AEROSPACE CORPORATION)

in

NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY GROUP
PREDICTION METHODS for JET V/STOL PROPULSION AERODYNAMICS VOLUME I

Proceedings of a Workshop held at the Institute for Defense Analyses Arlington , VA on July 28-31 , 1975
Editor and Chairman : M. F. Platzer
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA

Moved to more suitable topic.

By the way,that's a part One,if we can get the part Two,I think it has more Projects ?.

 

[alostbaron]

A few more of what I have on the VTOL side of Vought - should have paid attention and place the HSV designs elsewhere.

Enjoy the Day!

Is there any more information for Case #6 in the first image? Or a 3 view of the aircraft in the second?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Case 6 is an ADAM series design:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/vought-adam-and-adam-ii-v-stol-projects.14098/

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Case 6 is an ADAM series design:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/vought-adam-and-adam-ii-v-stol-projects.14098/

Not so sure about that - there is no fans in wing features and the engine exhausts are more Harrier like. All the ADAM series had the wing imbedded fans. Also think the time frame is after the ADAM design period.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

You're right - it has a superficial resemblance only.