Various Pre-WWII Soviet Projects & Prototypes

[Stargazer]

a strange Petlyakov designation "Pe.33"

Strange indeed. Possibly the Russian "ZZ" misinterpreted? (the Russian sign for "Z" resembles a 3 almost exactly). Of course, it still doesn't account for the meaning of "ZZ" but at least it could explain the lack of 31 designators in between!!

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Alcides,


and for my dear Skyblazer,the article was only about Pe.2,maybe you right my dear
and they meant "ZZ".

 

[redstar72]

Surely a misprint/mistake. Propably they meant Pe-3. Anything called "Pe-33" never existed, as well as the "Pe-ZZ".

P.S. Where have they seen such an ugly VI-100? So far from the real one, which was very elegant aircraft!

 

[Stargazer]

Surely a misprint/mistake. Propably they meant Pe-3. Anything called "Pe-33" never existed, as well as the "Pe-ZZ".

Thanks Alexander.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Redstar72,


and also if Midland publishing and Mr. Yefim Gordon can explain to us what is this ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the BOK-11 was a pressurized cabin recce aircraft,the BOK-12 was a twin engined version
of BOK-7 as experimental aircraft project,the BOK-15 was high-altitude stratospheric aircraft
project,and a poor quality of drawings to 11 & 15.


http://www.litmir.info/br/?b=175559&p=11

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a picture to Yermoleav bureau.


Le FANA 431

 

[Silencer1]

Comrade Yermolaev likes Aero Digest magazine ;D
(sorry for off-topic)

 

[hesham]

Comrade Yermolaev likes Aero Digest magazine ;D
(sorry for off-topic)

That's right Silencer.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


I can't translate well,those two high altitude or stratosphere projects,the first was developed
by BOK bureau with V.A. Chizhevsky and the second was the same designer only ?.


Kryl'ya Rodine 12/2014

 

[hesham]

And;

 

[Silencer1]

Dear hesham!


Thanks for sharing! This article definitely deserve translation - the Chizevskiy proposals to incorporate pressurized cockpits into existing military aircraft have been described.
One of such proposals - such cockpit for LR light reconnaissance aircraft, prototype of which was designed by Kocherigin. There is no clear explanation for usefulness of such redesign, however.


Cheers!

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Silencer.

 

[hesham]

in Les Ailes journal,a strange Model to unknown fighter,may be just a suggesting
aircraft,for the designer Leon Tikonovitch,but I think the right spelling is Leonid
Tikhonovich,with a triangular two wings,set inverted to each other,did anyone
hear about it before ?;

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65557564/f15.image

Maybe the same design ?.


http://aviaciaportal.ru/osobye-formy-krylev-i-shemy-samoletov/4/

 

[hesham]

Hi,


what was this Russian Project ?.

 

[Stargazer]

what was this Russian Project ?

Caption says "a dive bomber to fight the British ships" but I don't understand the meaning of "prednaznatsalsya"...

 

[bigbarbarian]

http://alternathistory.org.ua/pb-4m-105tk-ant-57-pikiruyushchii-bombardirovshchik-s-chetyrmya-motorami-proekt-tupolev-sssr1939g

 

[hesham]

Caption says "a dive bomber to fight the British ships" but I don't understand the meaning of "prednaznatsalsya"...

Thank you Skyblazer,and my mistake,it was Tupolev ANT-57.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a Model for BOK-7,an info about BOK-10,a clearer drawings to BOK-11 and BOK-15
and a new drawing to BOK-12.


"Сталинский маршрут" Чкалова и Леваневского. Триумф и трагедия полярных перелетов 1937 года

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is an Info about E,R, Engels Oriol aircraft;


http://www.ram-home.com/ram-old/oriol.html

 

[Maveric]

pre war yes, but pre WWI. This was a Russian project I think, not a soviet.

 

[hesham]

pre war yes, but pre WWI. This was a Russian project I think, not a soviet.

OK,we can open a new topic for Russian WW1 and pre-war prototypes and projects.

 

[Maveric]

Yes, I think so. Or a new topic for Engels aircrafts and projects...

 

[hesham]

Yes, I think so. Or a new topic for Engels aircrafts and projects...

Not only Engels,but all Russian prototypes and projects of this period.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


in the French magazine; Jets,they spoke about the Russian "TB" series,that it reached to TB-12,can anyone
confirm on this ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


so weird,in ab book about Ilyushin Il-4,and under the Il-4TK title,I found that the "BOK",created a design
called BOK-17,I don't know if it was a pressurized cabin version of DB-3b aircraft or just a pressurized
cabin only.

 

[borovik]

1) Read about it (via Google Translate) here: http://samlib.ru/p/polikarpowich_s_i/b29soviet3.shtml
2) Logically, it seems to me, would be to place your post here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17598.msg167637.html#msg167637

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Borovik,


but I used the google translate before about this paragraph,but I didn't understand if it was
aircraft or just a pressurized cabin only (BOK-17),and for the Il-4TK topic,I remember it of course
but I spoke about BOK design.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


was that a BOK design,and did it a biplane ?.

 

[Cy-27]

The Byuro Osobykh Konstructsky BOK-17 project was a 1940 presurised development of the DB-3F.

See the snippet from the book OKB Ilyushin A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft (Yefim Gordon / Sergei Komissarov / Dmitri Komissarov) Midland Publishing 2004

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Cy-27.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


if there is a Project called BOK-17,that means there was anther Project called BOK-16,
does anyone hear about it ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Stal Aviatourist was twin engined two seat long-range racer aircraft,looks like
or based on De Havilland DH-88 Comet,never completed,has anyone a drawing or
a picture for it ?.

 

[Stargazer]

STAL Aviatourist

Same "Stal" as in the Bartini Stal-6 and Stal-7 designs?

 

[hesham]

the Stal Aviatourist was twin engined two seat long-range racer aircraft,looks like
or based on De Havilland DH-88 Comet,never completed,has anyone a drawing or
a picture for it ?.

OK,I correct it,


but I think I saw a picture or drawing for it on Internet from long time ago,now I can't find it.

 

[iverson]

the Stal Aviatourist was twin engined two seat long-range racer aircraft,looks like
or based on De Havilland DH-88 Comet,never completed,has anyone a drawing or
a picture for it ?.

OK,I correct it,


but I think I saw a picture or drawing for it on Internet from long time ago,now I can't find it.

The only aircraft of that description that that I can remember off hand is the Grigorevich DG-55.

 

[hesham]

No Iverson,


it was anther aircraft.

 

[Stargazer]

it was anther aircraft.

The Aviaturist was designed by engineer A. I. Putilov (sometimes also found as "Putil").

 

[hesham]

Yes, the Stal-5 or Aviaturist was designed by engineer A. I. Putilov (sometimes also found as "Putil").

Great investigation Skyblazer,many thanks,

but the Stal-5 and Aviatourist was not the same aircraft,the Aviatourist looks like De Havilland
DH-88 Comet.

 

[Stargazer]

but the Stal-5 and Aviatourist was not the same aircraft,the Aviatourist looks like De Havilland DH-88 Comet.

I had a feeling something was confusing over this "Stal-5" designation (as I said, one was supposed to have a tricycle gear, not the other). It's because you are the one who said the Aviaturist was a Stal!! And since the only Stal aircraft I found by Putilov were the Stal-5 and Stal-11, and the translation of the articles was not always crystal clear, I mixed the two I guess... Perhaps someone with much greater knowledge on those obscure pre-war Soviet types could shed some light on the whole matter?

At least we've established that the Aviaturist was by Putilov, which should now make it easier to document.