Various Horten projects

[Justo Miranda]

sources-3

 

[Justo Miranda]

sources-4

 

[Winston]

A new copy of Ho 229 Spirit of Thuringia is more than any technical textbook I've bought. All for a staggering 128 pages
http://www.amazon.com/Horten-Ho229-Spirit-Thuringia-Luftwaffes/dp/B00IIBCXY4

 

[Stargazer]

A beautiful page showing several Horten designs, from the Hungarian book Vitorlázó repülőgépek (Műszaki Könyvkiadó, 1977):

 

[Vladimir]

Hi, Ho-VII

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is Horten Ho.III variants.

http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5566c30e924173a7640f1505/german-interest-in-flying-wings-and-tailless-aircraft

 

[Vladimir]

Very interesting modification- Horten's "Lightweight fighter"

 

[Grzesio]

I think, as a Kampfflugzeug, it's a lightweight bomber rather than fighter.

 

[hesham]

Amazing drawing my dear Dan.

 

[Maveric]

One question:
The drawing says: 8-252...
The RLM designeted all military aircraft with 8-. So the Horten H.V was RLM 8-252?

 

[hesham]

One question:
The drawing says: 8-252...
The RLM designeted all military aircraft with 8-. So the Horten H.V was RLM 8-252?

What ?,my dear Maveric,

that's very old info,we know that;

Ho.III 8-250
Ho.IV 8-251
Ho.V 8-252
Ho.VI 8-253
Ho.VII 8-254

 

[Maveric]

Ok, for you its old... I´m wondering the number had three aircraft Ju.252, Fw.252 and Horten Ho.V...

 

[Avimimus]

What are those tubes on the Horton V (near the centreline, at the back)?

 

[Justo Miranda]

Pulsejets

 

[Stargazer]

No such thing as the Fw 252. Focke-Wulf never called any of its designs that, nor did the RLM.

In my list of RLM numbers, both used and unused, I actually DO have a string of Fw designations from 249 to 252. Whether they were merely considered at some point or not I couldn't say, since I do not have the source for these. I'm aware that this is a bit off-topic, but could someone help on this?

 

[galgot]

Very interesting modification- Horten's "Lightweight fighter"

Lost Arch flying wing !

 

[blackkite]

Hi Horten Ⅷ.
Ho-VIII
Max take-off weight: 8000 kg / 17637 lb
Empty weight: 5000 kg / 11023 lb
Wingspan: 40 m / 131 ft 3 in
Length: 16.5 m / 54 ft 2 in
Height: 3.85 m / 12 ft 8 in
Wing area: 146 sq.m / 1571.53 sq ft
Max. speed: 280 km/h / 174 mph
Range w/max.fuel: 6000 km / 3728 miles
Crew: 3

This was to have been a flying model of a proposed six-engined trans-Atlantic passenger transport weighing 100,000 kg.
The span of Horten Ⅷ was to be 40 m with an aspect ratio of 10 and sweepback of 28 degrees. Power units were six Argus AS 10 C engines.
http://all-aero.com/index.php/contactus/34-planes/4965-horten-ho-viii

 

[blackkite]

And...
There was a transatlantic version of Horten Ⅷ which was a three seater, maximum range of 13,000km, with four SC or SD 1000 bombs, six Jumo 004 jet engines designed integral to the wing.

 

[blackkite]

Is this a trans Atlantic version of Horten Ⅷ?
http://www.flying-things.ch/horten.htm

 

[blackkite]

"The Ho VIII was by far the largest of the Horten flying wings, and was designed as a commercial aircraft with accommodation for about 60 passengers. Originally to have had a span of 80m, it was to have been powered by six 448kW BMW pusher engines; range was estimated to be 6000km at a cruising speed of between 300 and 350km/h. A prototype was expected to fly in November 1945, but the defeat of Germany prevented its development. The concept was resurrected after the war by Reimar Horten, who went to Argentina and incorporated the idea in the unsuccessful I.A.38 tailless cargo aircraft, which flew in prototype form in 1958."

http://www.aviastar.org/air/germany/horten_ho-8.php

There are some opinions what Horten Ⅷ was.
(1) Horten Ⅷ was designed as a commercial aircraft with accommodation for about 60 passengers.
(2) Horten Ⅷ was to have been a flying model of a proposed six-engined trans-Atlantic passenger transport weighing 100,000 kg.
(3)There was a transatlantic version of Horten Ⅷ which was a three seater, maximum range of 13,000km, with four SC or SD 1000 bombs, six Jumo 004 jet engines designed integral to the wing.
(4)Six Argas(As) 10 pulse-jets integral in the wing were planned provisionally for the Horten Ⅷ.
(5)The Horten Ⅷ would have been useful as a training aircraft for the bigger but little-heavier bomber.

 

[blackkite]

What is this?

 

[hesham]

What is this?

It's here;

http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/flyingwing2.htm

 

[blackkite]

What is this?

It's here;

http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/flyingwing2.htm

Oh thanks a lot.
Auto translation.
"Reimar Horten started to think about the big transport aircraft, which would derive from one of the bombers, designed during the WW2. This idea, he managed to meet up after vojnev Argentina, when they joined in the FMA (Fabrica Militar deAviones) factory."
So it's a Argentina big transport project?

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Horten Ho-ⅩⅧa America bomber. Anyway over 10 hours, narrow space, dangerous very hard mission.
Span : 131ft(40m, same as Horten Ⅷ), Range : 6835mile(11,000km), Maximum speed : 559mile/hour(900km/h)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-OqAivZuQk

 

[Vladimir]

Nice faund, blackkite!

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Horten ⅩⅧb America bomber.
We see double swept-back angle wing and single swept-back angle wing Horten ⅩⅧb bomber pictures. Which is correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TrafLMPwDY

 

[Vladimir]

Which is correct?

This one correct i think :
go here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4973.60.html

 

[blackkite]

Thanks a lot.
Yes I confirm this drawing in his super book. This is the original drawing!!

 

[Justo Miranda]

 

[Vladimir]

Yap! Justo made a great books! Especially "Reichdreams" and "Unknown" issues! We need more! ;D

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Horten ⅩⅧb-2 America bomber.

http://www.luft46.com/mlart/mlho18b.html

 

[blackkite]

Are these the original drawings of Horten ⅩⅧa?
Nose gear is retracted between captain and co-pilot. ;D
Landing gear was used only landing?
Engine air intake is located wing leading edge under surface.

Source : http://www.luft46models.com/manufacturers/ho/ho18.php

 

[blackkite]

Ho ⅩⅧa bomber cockpit is like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjXr5w3M4mc

 

[Vladimir]

Hi!
Horten ⅩⅧb-2 America bomber.

http://www.luft46.com/mlart/mlho18b.html

The last Hortens "America bomber" project

 

[blackkite]

ⅩⅧa : RCS is small even jet engine air intake
ⅩⅧb : RCS is large(fixed landing gear cover is bad)
ⅩⅧb-1 : RCS is large(huge vertical stabilizer is fatal) ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_H.XVIII
”H.XVIIIA
The A model of the H.XVIII was a long, smooth blended wing body. Its six turbojet engines were buried deep in the wing and the exhausts centered on the trailing end. Resembling the Horten Ho 229 flying wing fighter there were many odd features that distinguished this aircraft; the jettisonable landing gear and the wing made of wood and carbon based glue, are but two. The aircraft was first proposed for the Amerika Bomber project and was personally reviewed by Hermann Göring, after review, the Horten brothers (with deep dissatisfaction) were forced to share design and construction of the aircraft with Junkers and Messerschmitt engineers, who wanted to add a single rudder fin as well as suggesting underwing pods to house the engines and landing gear.
H.XVIIIB
The B model of the H.XVIIIB was generally the same as the A model, except the four (down from six) engines and four-wheel retractable landing gear were now housed in underwing pods, and the three-man crew housed under a bubble canopy. The aircraft was to be built in huge concrete hangars and operate off long runways with construction due to start in autumn 1945, but the end of the war came with no progress made. Armament was considered unnecessary due to the expected high performance.
H.XVIIIC/B-2
The C model of the H.XVIII was based on the airframe of the H.XVIIIA with a huge tail. It had an MG 151 turret set in the middle rear of the wing and with six BMW 003 turbojets slung under the wings; this was designed by Messerschmitt and Junkers engineers. It is uncertain if this overall design was directly developed by the Horten brothers or their manufacturer, as there is little surviving evidence of this proposed version. It was eventually rejected by the Horten brothers, as it was not a major improvement over the Ho XVIIIA.”

 

[Justo Miranda]

Are these the original drawings of Horten ⅩⅧa?
Nose gear is retracted between captain and co-pilot. ;D
Landing gear was used only landing?
Engine air intake is located wing leading edge under surface.

Source : http://www.luft46models.com/manufacturers/ho/ho18.php

In my opinion two nose legs

 

[blackkite]

Hi Justo-san.
How do you think about this drawing?
I imagine that this is Horten's original drawing.
I also imagine that this drawing shows two types such as bomber version with bomb and armament and reconnaissance version without armament.
It's my misunderstanding? It's a speculative one?
Any way I think that Horten ⅩⅧa is the best design from today's knowledge.
The rocket drive cart is good idea. B)
I also think that the blended wing cockpit is good idea to reduce RCS.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Is a fictional drawing by Renaud Mangallon (Sharkit) for the assembling instruction of Ho-18 resin kit.

 

[blackkite]

Is a fictional drawing by Renaud Mangallon (Sharkit) for the assembling instruction of Ho-18 resin kit.

Wow thanks a lot Justo-san.
What is the difference between speculative and fictional?

 

[Justo Miranda]

Experience and a good library