Various DFS Projects

[lark]

People I thrust know that I am a strong supporter of organized chaos
since it's helps me to keep my memory sharp. But as you see
sometimes I has it's disadventages I know.

 

[hesham]

For the DFS.611 and DFS.1068,please see the Royal Air Force Museum;

http://www.collectionstrust.org.uk/aircraft/5359.htm

In the book; Bron Rakietowa w II Wojnie Swiatowej,they mention the DFS-1068
project.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Soviet era project

 

[hesham]

Soviet era project

That's right my dear Justo.

 

[Jemiba]

Soviet era project

Indeed, but AFAIK based on wartime research work by DFS. Must admit, that sometimes I'm losing the
overview and cannot find drawings, mails and sources, although knowing for sure, that they are ....
somewhere ! Of the Soviet offspring, I once made a speculative 3-view, but about the details,
boxkite could come to my rescue.... :-\

 

[hesham]

Amazing drawing my dear Jens,


and I saw a 3-view to it in a Russian book,but where in my files now,always ?.

 

[borovik]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10112.0.html
A couple more speculative drawings on this theme.

 

[hesham]

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10112.0.html
A couple more speculative drawings on this theme.

Thank you my dear Borovik,


but do you hear anything about DFS-1068 ?.

 

[Stargazer]

DFS 332 split from this topic.

Links to other DFS-related topics:

• DFS 108 Stummel Habicht
• DFS 228
• DFS 203 and 332 twin-fuselage gliders
• Rammer und Eber
• DFS 468 (speculative?)

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a Model for Fieseler Fi.333 transport aircraft project.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_Fi_333

 

[hesham]

From Flugzeug 4/1986,


consider not project,but rare aircraft,here is the DFS-230 with low-wing.

 

[hesham]

From Jet & Prop 4/1998,


here is the DFS-230 with long undercarriage legs,consider a little known aircraft.

 

[Arjen]

Text in the third image says the aircraft was used to train Me 321 'Gigant' pilots. Nice find.

 

[hesham]

thank you my dear Arjen.

 

[sienar]

Here is a much higher resolution photo of the 168 by way of wikipedia

 

[Jemiba]

In "Deutsche Lastensegler" by Heint Mankau and Peter Petrick, a prototype is shown, called "Robbe" (seal),
which was obviously based on the DFS 230 assault glider and is said to have been indended as a means of
transporting an unmanned weather station. There even seems to be a kit available, but I haven't found many
information about it still yet. Anybody else ?

 

[hesham]

Great find my dear Jemiba.

 

[Jemiba]

Got "Deutsche Flugzeugbewaffnung bis 1945" (German Aircraft Armament until 1945), written by
Manfred Griehl, a good book with regards to the content, but with regards to typos and proof reading
one of the worst I have ... :
There are some information about the Fi 168, too. Intended as communications and ground attack
aircraft, armament is given as 2 to 4 fixed 7.9 mm guns MG 17 and a flexible MG 15 of the same
calibre for the "B-Stand" (rear gunner). Use of the 20 mm MG FF "was principally approved", I suppose
as replacement for the MG 17. If the ground attack version would have had a rear gunner, too, or
the communications aircraft (which seems to have been in direct competition to the Fi 156) only
isn't mentioned unfortunately.

 

[Wurger]

I do have that book, and I do not cherish it much. Not only typos, switched captions and sketchy treatment of some massively important german aircraft weapons.
Unfortunatelly, with Herr Griehl`s passing away last November, his book on Fieseler ("Typenkompass" series by Motorbuch Verlag) is not to see light, I`afraid.

 

[Avimimus]

It would be great if someone else could finish it.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is in the picture one,the DFS-230 with float as a project,and in second picture the DFS-230
with Argus engines as a variant.


In the third picture,the drawing for Gotha Go.345 (as I think) with DFS-230 tail,am I
right ?.


http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/s/Schleppkupplungen/Kampf%20und%20Lastensegler%20DFS%20230%20DFS%20331/Lastenseagler%20DFS%20230.html

 

[Jemiba]

In the third picture,the drawing for Gotha Go.345 (as I think) with DFS-230 tail,am I
right ?.

Compared with the other drawings, it's definitely not the DFS 230 tail.
The same drawing can be found for example here (notice: the same site)
http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/g/Gotha%20Waggonfabrik/Go%20345/gotha%20go%20345.htm

and I can see no direct relation to the DFS 230. Have asked the site owner about it,
may just be an error.

 

[hesham]

That's right my dear Jemiba.

 

[Jemiba]

Already got an answer and a "thank you !", that actually is due to hesham !
The error will be corrected soon.

 

[hesham]

Already got an answer and a "thank you !", that actually is due to hesham !
The error will be corrected soon.

OK my dear Jemiba.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


a wind tunnel Model of DFS-193.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is some drawings to DFS-230 and DFS-331.

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[Stargazer]

In the third picture,the drawing for Gotha Go.345 (as I think) with DFS-230 tail,am I
right ?

Go 345 and DFS 230, no "." and no "-" !!!

 

[hesham]

From Jagdgeschwader 400,Germany's Elite Rocket Fighters;

here is the DFS Project-X in two variant Models.

 

[Wurger]

Thank you for the contribution, Hesham!

 

[richard]

Some more views of the two variants , from "Ein Dreieck fliegt" by Alexander Lippisch

 

[Vladimir]

Hi, my dfs-228 artwork

( picture from http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/aircraft/DFS-228.html )

 

[Vladimir]

here is my DFS 346 model by Bob Martin

( pictures from http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/Aircraft/DFS-346.html )

 

[hesham]

It seemed to be there was an early version of DFS Project-X.

Waffen-Arsenal 113 Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet

 

[hesham]

For the DFS.611 and DFS.1068,please see the Royal Air Force Museum;

http://www.collectionstrust.org.uk/aircraft/5359.htm

In the book; Bron Rakietowa w II Wojnie Swiatowej,they mention the DFS-1068
project.

In Ebay,I found this Model for DFS-468 ?.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/DFS-468-Uberschalljager-1-72-Bird-Models-Resinbausatz-resin-kit/231993298516

 

[Jemiba]

Have a look here
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10933.msg102869.html#msg102869

Looks to me, as someone thought "well, when the Russians were designing something like this in 1949,
there must have been a German analogon before !"
I'm remaining sceptical ...

 

[hesham]

My dear Jemiba,

the DFS 466,468 & 486 were a real aircraft Projects,we don't know only their shapes,except
DFS 486,please see;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4171.msg32888.html#msg32888

 

[hesham]

Fieseler F.3 Wespe;

http://adl-luftfahrthistorik.de/dok/Fieseler_Wespe_Teil2.pdf

 

[newsdeskdan]

DFS Jabo mit Lorinantrieb - March 1944.

 

[hesham]

DFS Jabo mit Lorinantrieb - March 1944.

What was this ?.