USS Long Beach Preliminary Studies

Next is Design X-1 the Regulus companion of R-1:
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 182,88 (pp) 190,5m (oa) x 19,87 x 6,7m
Displacement: 10.690ton (Standard), 11.700tons (Full load)
Engines: 80.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 2 shafts
Speed: 59km/h (32knots)
Armaments:
1x2 RIM-8 Talos SAM,
1x2 RIM-24 Tartar SAM,
1x2 RAT Launcher,
1x1 RGM-6 Regulus I CruM,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes

Sensors:
1x SPS-10 - Surface-Search Radar
4x SPS-32 - Air-Search Radar
4x SPS-33 - Height Finder Radar
1x SPS-53 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
3x SPG-49 - Talos Illumination/tracking radars
2x SPG-51 - Tartar Illumination/tracking radars
5x SPW-2 - Talos guidance radars
1x SPQ-2 - Regulus Guidance Radar
2x Illuminator Radars (I've chosen SPG-51 like ones)
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System
1x ECM (Atop the blockhouse)
 
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And now proposal Y-1 the Regulus armed S-1 design:
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Long Beach Preliminary Scheme Y-1 by Tzoli on DeviantArt

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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 170,7 (pp) 176,78m (oa) x 17,98 x 6,55m
Displacement: 9.010ton (Standard), 9.800tons (Full load)
Engines: 80.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
1x2 RIM-2 Terrier SAM,
1x2 RIM-24 Tartar SAM,
1x2 RAT Launcher,
1x1 RGM-6 Regulus I CruM,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes

Sensors:
1x SPS-10 - Surface-Search Radar
4x SPS-32 - Air-Search Radar
4x SPS-33 - Height Finder Radar
1x SPS-53 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
2x SPQ-5 - Terrier Illumination/tracking radars
3x SPG-51 - Tartar Illumination/tracking radars
2x SPQ-2 - Regulus Guidance Radar
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System
1x ECM (Atop the blockhouse)
 
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The first non fully nuclear proposal, the CONAG version of W-1, the design Z-1:
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 182,88 (pp) 190,5m (oa) x 19,87 x 6,74m
Displacement: 9.076ton (Standard), 10.900tons (Full load)
Engines: CONAG - Combined Nuclear and Gas propulsion: 40.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 40.000shp Pratt & Whitney J75 (Probably) Gas Turines 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
1x2 RIM-8 Talos SAM,
2x2 RIM-24 Tartar SAM,
1x1 RGM-6 Regulus I CruM
1x2 RAT Launcher,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes

Sensors:
4x SPS-32 - Air-Search Radar
4x SPS-33 - Height Finder Radar
1x SPS-53 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
4x SPG-51 - Tartar Illumination/tracking Radars
2x SPG-49 - Talos Illumination/tracking Radars
2x SPW-2 - Talos guidance Radars
2x SPQ-2 - Regulus Guidance Radars
2x Illuminator Radars (I've chosen SPG-51 like ones)
1x Radio Star Tracker Dome containing a Transit satellite navigation receiver antenna (Early version of the Global Positioning System)
 
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Tzoli said:
On the reconstructed cruisers both the Talos and Terrier missile stowage had deck loading doors for reloading, one for each arm. Now on Long Beach the drawings show only a single door for the Talos but none for the Terriers and later Standards. How was the Long Beach forward missile stowage reloaded? Via the loading hatches behind the launchers?
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As far as I know - yes. The Terrier Mk-9 GMLS, installed on "Providence"-class cruisers, were similar to Talos; the missiles were held on the individual trays:

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The Mk-10 system, used on Long Beach, used rotating rings system, so it could be loaded through the launcher doors.
 
Made an error on the text regarding the Talos launchers number.
No they are SPG-51's, forward of the bridge superstructure, the SPW-2's are the small ones above and below the SPG-49's aft.
Since I've asked that question I was provided with a photo showing the Terrier reload doors just next to the 2nd Terrier launcher:
Or I guess they should be the magazine reload doors.
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View: https://i.imgur.com/hlKa940.jpg

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The last known Preliminary design of the USS Long Beach the Design AA-1, a shorter CONAG variant of Y-1:
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 164,6 (pp) 170,7m (oa) x 16,76 x 6,31m
Displacement: 6.979ton (Standard), 8.128tons (Full load)
Engines: CONAG - Combined Nuclear and Gas propulsion: 40.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 40.000shp Pratt & Whitney J75 (Probably) Gas Turines 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
1x2 RIM-2 Terrier SAM,
1x2 RIM-24 Tartar SAM,
1x1 RGM-6 Regulus I CruM
1x2 RAT Launcher,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes

Sensors:
1x SPS-10 - Surface-Search Radar
4x SPS-32 - Air-Search Radar
4x SPS-33 - Height Finder Radar
1x SPS-53 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
3x SPG-51 - Tartar Illumination/tracking Radars
3x SPQ-5 - Terrier Illumination/tracking radars
1x SPQ-2 - Regulus Guidance Radar
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System
1x ECM (Atop the blockhouse)
 
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My imagination of how USS Long Beach originally ordered and laid down with the Regulus II Launcher
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 210,4 (wl) x 219,9 (oa) x 22,3 x 7,3m
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: 80.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
1x2 RIM-8 Talos SAM,
2x2 RIM-2 Terrier SAM,
1x2 RAT Launcher,
1x1 RGM-15 Regulus II CruM,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes

Sensors:
1x SPS-10 Surface-Search Radar
4x SPS-32 - Air-Search Radar
4x SPS-33 - Height Finder Radar
1x SPS-53 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
4x SPQ-5 - Terrier Illumination/tracking radars
2x SPG-49 - Talos Illumination/tracking radars
2x SPW-2 - Talos guidance radars
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System
 
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And now the Polaris armed version based on the limited info I was able to gather:
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 210,4 (wl) x 219,9 (oa) x 22,3 x 7,3m
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: 80.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
1x2 RIM-8 Talos SAM,
2x2 RIM-2 Terrier SAM,
1x8 RUR-5 ASROC Launcher,
8x1 RGM-27 Polaris IRBM
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes

Sensors:
1x SPS-10 Surface-Search Radar
4x SPS-32 - Air-Search Radar
4x SPS-33 - Height Finder Radar
1x SPS-53 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
4x SPG-55 - Terrier Illumination/tracking radars
2x SPG-49 - Talos Illumination/tracking radars
2x SPW-2 - Talos guidance radars
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System
 
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Now Compare these to the Long Beach as Commissioned in 1961:
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And as fully fitted in 1962/63:
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As looked like in 1966:
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As looked like in 1969:
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In 1973:
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In 1979 before the major refit / NTU programme:
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These are to my knowledge are the most accurate drawings of Long Beach based on the photos I've seen and studied.
 
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Does anybody know which official papers or Proceedings contains the likely various Long Beach AEGIS/CSGN conversion proposals?
 
And my two versions for the AEGIS conversion Proposal:
Variant 1:
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 210,4 (wl) x 219,9 (oa) x 22,3 x 8,8m
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: 80.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
2x2 RIM-66 Standard MR SAM capable of launching RUR-5 ASROCK,
4x4 RGM-84 Harpoon ASM,
2x4 RGM-109 Tomahawk CruM,
2x1 8"/55 (203mm/55) Mark 28 Guns,
2x6 20mm/76 Phalanx Mark 72 CIWS,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes
2x SH-2 Seasprite Helicopters

Sensors:
1x SPQ-9 - Air/Surface Search Radar
1x SPS-55 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
1x SPS-67 Surface-Search Radar
4x SPG-62 AEGIS Illuminator Radars
4x SPY-1 - AEGIS 3D Air/Surface-Search Radars
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System

Variant 2:
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The design had these characteristics:
Dimensions: 210,4 (wl) x 219,9 (oa) x 22,3 x 8,8m
Displacement: Unknown
Engines: 80.000shp Westinghouse C1W Nuclear Reactors, 2 shafts
Speed: 56km/h (30knots)
Armaments:
2x2 RIM-66 Standard MR SAM capable of launch RUR-5 ASROCK,
4x4 RGM-84 Harpoon ASM,
2x4 RGM-109 Tomahawk CruM,
1x1 8"/55 (203mm/55) Mark 28 Guns,
2x6 20mm/76 Phalanx Mark 72 CIWS,
2x3 324mm Torpedo Tubes
2x SH-2 Seasprite Helicopters

Sensors:
1x SPQ-9 - Air/Surface Search Radar
1x SPS-55 - Surface-Search/Navigational Radar
1x SPS-67 Surface-Search Radar
4x SPG-62 - AEGIS Illuminator Radars
4x SPY-1 - AEGIS 3D Air/Surface-Search Radars
1x TACAN - TACtical Air Navigation System
 
Okay...
Updated the thread, fixed the broken image links and added more drawings (of the finished Long Beach).

Somewhat other:
Some of the Long Beach preliminary designs which feature the Radio Star Tracker Dome seems to lack space or position for a dedicated surface-search radar (SPS-5/10 etc) I've put the navigational SPS-53 radars on these designs as well but that is quite a small low range radar. Did the designers expect that the SPS-32/33 be used in the surface-search mode as well? Could it even do Surface Search?
 
What are your sources for variant 2? also, portholes near the waterline? (also, isn't this section for sources and discussions, not for artist impressions? maybe I misunderstand how the secretprojects forums work)
 
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What are your sources for variant 2? also, portholes near the waterline? (also, isn't this section for sources and discussions, not for artist impressions? maybe I misunderstand how the secretprojects forums work)
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Norman Friedman

U.S. Cruisers: An Illustrated Design History​


I can post the relevant pages later but did you refer to the Pre-design 2?
This?
That is based on the A design and the text from the book:

Where do you see portholes at the waterline?
 
I see round things coloured blue all over the hull, including just above the waterline

and no, I am talking about your post from yesterday, Aegis CGN-9, variant 2.
 
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I see round things coloured blue all over the hull, including just above the waterline

and no, I am talking about your post from yesterday, Aegis CGN-9, variant 2.
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That is the original hull of the Long Beach and there are indeed holes near the waterline, just I mistook them for portholes. They are for excess / waste water?
 
Yeah, those are exhausts of some kind (water or otherwise), there are no portholes in engine rooms normally ;)

But what are your references for Aegis CGN-9 variant 2? because I have seen no good references that match that design anywhere.
 

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