The amount the USN spends on payments for loss of hearing to flight deck crews was the reason behind a huge amount of F35 acoustic research and associated mitigation measures - all comfortably expected to pay for itself.Considering what the US pays to train troops/marines, and what it pays *after* they leave service in the form of the VA, just exposing troops' hearing to less bang sounds worth it to me given the long lifetime of a modern suppressor. Then there are the actual tactical benefits of greatly reduced muzzle flash and noise, with super sonic shot noise being far less directional. I honestly don't know why it took this long for this to become a standard issue item consider the obvious utility and ubiquity of combat optics. The US spends enough on an individual solider training-to-grave to absolutely warrant this kind of investment.
There's only so much you can do to move within the armor, mobility, firepower matrix.The speed at which they're discarding armor is certainly something.
The speed at which they're discarding armor is certainly something.
The Army should consider paying the armored bn to stay active as a permanent OPFOR unit at NTC Ft Irwin just to keep the capability until wiser leadership prevails. The competetive spirit would be great for both USA and USMC at NTC. Send the Gyrenes to Army AIT.
Army. Paying for the USMC's tanks.The Army should consider paying the armored bn to stay active as a permanent OPFOR unit at NTC Ft Irwin just to keep the capability until wiser leadership prevails. The competetive spirit would be great for both USA and USMC at NTC. Send the Gyrenes to Army AIT.
“As the preeminent littoral warfare and expeditionary warfare service, we must engage in a more robust discussion regarding naval expeditionary forces and capabilities not resident with the Marine Corps such as coastal/riverine forces, naval construction forces, and mine countermeasure forces. We must ask ourselves whether it is prudent to absorb some of those functions, forces, and capabilities to create a single naval expeditionary force whereby the Commandant could better ensure their readiness and resourcing.”
Doctrinally, the big takeaways are:
- They are essentially acknowledging that the Navy has lost or is on the verge of losing the anti-access/area denial (A2AD) fight, so that there will probably not be the clear area superiority required for traditional forced entry operations
Wow! Now what?
Wow! Now what?
I might be overselling that, but they are talking about fighting in "mutually contested space." That sounds to me like a recipe lots of intermingling of forces, no clear fronts, etc. Basically a massive insurgency at sea.
They were upgraded to M1A1-FEP standard: HAP-3 DU armour, M1A2 SEP FLIR but certainly not the same capability as an M1A2.
The DoN has all the cards in determining mission sets. Marines have no power and no money if they cross the DoN. Limiting oneself to the single scenario mindset of RocketMarine when the PLAN is to have DEW defenses deployed down to logistics nodes, not to mention forward formations, doesnt seem to be a good plan.Oh, one other BIG bullet in that Force Design document:
“As the preeminent littoral warfare and expeditionary warfare service, we must engage in a more robust discussion regarding naval expeditionary forces and capabilities not resident with the Marine Corps such as coastal/riverine forces, naval construction forces, and mine countermeasure forces. We must ask ourselves whether it is prudent to absorb some of those functions, forces, and capabilities to create a single naval expeditionary force whereby the Commandant could better ensure their readiness and resourcing.”
They're talking about whether or not to try to take over Navy riverine squadrons, Seabees, and MCM (presumably EOD?) capabilities. That's huge, and likely to cause massive hate and discontent, even though those forces are widely ignored by big Navy.
Hard to figure the logic behind that. Moreover, wouldn't it lead to every Squadron deployed having no reserve (pilots & airframe), meaning that entire Squadrons could be decimated with all the inherent losses in operational experience?
So pretty much lighter in most everything but HIMARS. Is there still any intention of adopting NSM or are they at least dropping that bad idea in favor of the moving target version of PrSM that the Army is already working on?
Also I hope there is some effort to bulk up the inventory of mortars if they are cutting that many guns - five howitzer batteries for the entire service?
Over all it looks like there will just be a lot less Marines. The increase in rocket artillery is no where near the number of formations their cutting. I'm particularly surprised by the cut to the air component - do they intend to operate fewer LHA/LHDs going forward? Is this just accounting for the fact there are going to be fewer Marines to move?
Perhaps they are anticipating a huge increase in their availability with the King replacing the old Echo model.I'm sort of baffled by the big cut in heavy lift squadrons. The CH-53s have always been highly valued, and I'm not sure why they are getting whacked, except perhaps the same issue of keeping up with the Ospreys. Also, one of their big roles was to move tube artillery ashore, so with that getting trimmed, perhaps they need fewer sling loads (can't sling load HIMARS).
I'm not a fan of shore based NSM. The range is short and it's a one trick pony. Where as HIMARS can still be a regular rocket artillery system, in addition to being a long range bombardment system and an anti shipping weapon. The flight profile is hardly subtle, but it is fast and long ranged. I suspect inside the range of NSM it would be very hard to intercept.
But then again I'm not particularly pro this whole island hoping idea anyway. If you have to land Marines just so they can launch missiles, just build more floating platforms that launch missiles. That is much less expensive and lower risk than putting troops ashore.
General Smith: ..... The ground-launched cruise missile, or GLCM, is a task that the Deputy Secretary of Defense has passed to the Marine Corps to have an operational capability very quickly for something that reaches out -- again, I'll just say hundreds of miles. That is a separate fielding, testing, and evaluation program now. The naval strike missile, which we call a ground-based antiship missile -- but, that is an existing technology now. The Navy already shoots it. So, for us trying to field a capability rapidly to show that General Berger's planning guidance has the teeth that it does, we'll pair that missile, which is existing now, with a JLTV. We call it a rogue-fires vehicle, a robotic vehicle. We'll pair that immediately. So, that ground-based antiship missile capability is currently naval strike missile. The ground launched cruise missile or any other system ideally can be fired off of that same platform. So, the platform is the platform. It's agnostic as to what it fires.
I don't see how a JLTV can carry anything like ground based tomahawk. I wouldn't even thought it a particularly large enough platform for a meaningful number NSM
The key for me is how they plan to use it. If you load up a couple batteries into LCACs (maybe bring along an army PAC-3 battery), and play a shell game of sorts on different atolls and sites on the atolls using F-35's from the fleet as sensors to cue HIMARS/Patriot-- well, that's probably useful even if it only continually robs the PLAN of initiative.I don't see how a JLTV can carry anything like ground based tomahawk. I wouldn't even thought it a particularly large enough platform for a meaningful number NSM. I'm really not a fan of any part of this plan, from overall strategy down to parts of the execution. Presumably people more knowledgable than me know what they are doing.
I don't know that a ship is any more (or less) survivable than a shore deployment. But this is something that gives the Marines a reason to exist, and it also is relatively easy to do with assets we already have or are readily available short-term. Our ship-building record, however, gives me no reason to believe we can build enough frigates/pickets on a reasonable budget or timeline. (To say nothing of the politics of dressing warships up like civilian traffic!)Mobile fire bases make more sense than any extended stay, but I still don't see what they bring compared to ships dedicating to firing ordnance. Build them out to look like civilian traffic and put some basic decoys and a RAM launcher on it and let the Marines stay home safe. I thought this was more or less what the USN was going to do with LUSV. I don't see any reason for the USMC to build a new class of landing ship to land this stuff if their main strategy is blend in with local shipping - don't bother landing then; just be able to fire something from the ship.